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Its that time again to predict seeds for 1A/2A....Here are mine

2A Lowerstate:
1BE
16Bye

8Edisto
9Hanahan

5Barnwell
12Garrett

4Andrew Jackson
13Loris

6Silver Bluff
11Burke

3Buford
14Aynor

7Wade Hampton
10Andrews

2Waccamaw
15Jasper County


2A Upstate

1Emerald
16Ninety-Six

8Gilbert
9Carolina Academy

5Pendleton
12Columbia

4Palmetto
13Saluda

6Broome
11West Oak

3Batesburg Leesville
14Marion

7Woodruff
10Abbeville

2Walhalla
15Southside

1A actually seems pretty straightforward to me, perhaps some disputes over the lower seeds and the confusion as to whether some upstate teams will be put in the lowerstate bracket:

Lowerstate

1Academic Magnet
8North

4Governor's School
5Blackville Hilda

3Bamberg
6Branchville

2Lincoln
7Williston-Elko

Upstate
1Christ Church
8Fox Creek

4Lewisville
5Indian Land (Hate that this is a region matchup--have they played this year?)

3Dixie
6Landrum

2Southside Christian
7Great Falls

Slim possibility this year for BE and CC to be toppled--BE has had trouble scoring against stiff competition, and CC lost by 2 to AM earlier. But they both seem to step up in the playoffs, so I expect the same old story...

Kickman,
You left out Mid-Carolina and I believe that Marion is lowerstate.

I believe Academic Magnet will win this year. They seem to have it now but I do agree that CC knows how to show it when it counts should be a good match up b/w those two.

Well kickman one never knows what can happen in the playoffs. Remember last year in the second round when BE only beat Jasper 2-0 n it was spose to be a blowout. But, i still think BE is going to prevail in 2A

No one thinks Emerald, Walhalla, or Waccamaw have a chance?

I think waccamaw will probably be the toughest team to give BE a run for their money

Emerald will not win

Lincoln is a 500 team - how do they make #2?

Sean Vick, How aggravating. Mid Carolina should be between Broome and Woodruff for the 7 seed. Marion gets ahead of Loris--they split, Loris has goal differential, but since Marion won more recently and since they bother to post their scores I give them the boost. After last night's "big" victory over Edisto, Jasper County also moves ahead of both Loris and Marion to get the 13 seed and Aynor now faces BE in the first round.

???, saying BE has a slim possibility of losing is giving other teams a chance. Most years I would say BE has no chance of losing.

guardrail22, Lincoln's opponent win % is 68% and they have quality wins over Myrtle Beach, West Ashley, Waccamaw, T.L. Hanna. 3rd seeded Bamberg has opponent win % of 39% with no quality wins, 4th seed GS has opponent win % of 42% with no quality wins. Despite Lincoln's recent slide, they should be a lock for the 2 seed.

I agree, lincoln has had a much tougher schedule and more impressive wins than Bamberg. Also great turnaround by Burke High School. Gotta give them props

For the upper state 2a look at who some of the schools have played on their record. Not very strong schedules.

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what school are you referring to coach?

Lincoln has an 8-9 rcord and has been outscored by opponents 67-66. There opponents collectively have a better record than those of the next team down.

What has happened to Lincoln this past week. Are there players out?

Lincoln (from what I hear) don't play a good defense but rely on their speed and offense. They have some key players that are fast and they usually kick the ball up top for a one on one race. Again, this is just what I have heard from the past. They have a hard schedule though.

I think that Barnwell should be the #3 seed in the 2A lowerstate bracket, ahead of Buford and Andrew Jackson. If you look at the predictions, the # 6, 7, 8, and 15 seeds are all in Barnwell's region, and Barnwell has a chance to win their region on Thursday, April 26 against Wade Hampton-H.

Well, Hampton is 4-2 and barnwell is 5-2 in region play, and hampton has already beaten barnwell. And actually, this region is for Hampton to lose. If Jasper can pull the upset, then it makes it easier for Barnwell to win the region. But whoever wins this region should be a 4 or 5 seed, being that this is probably the toughest region in 2a

Andrew Jackson will not be able to participate in the playoffs this year. I'm sure this will be discussed at the seeding meeting.

Yes, but if barnwell beats Hampton on thursday, april 26, then Barnwell wins region out right. And i'm being nosey here but why can't Andrew Jackson participate in the playoffs? Is it a coach's decision or did something happen?

And also, going along with what jaguarsfutbol said, if we do have the toughest region, and then why shouldn't we get the #3 seed. From what i've seen the only good teams in Buford's region are them and Andrew Jackson.

Lincoln is a very well coached team with quality players in most positions. Their only problem is numbers. They only have 14 players on the team. One key player has a leg injury (Center Back)and the other, Terrence Deas, a forward is also not playing at this moment. Terrence a member of the South Carolina Squad in the Clash of the Carolinas, and his team play a very fast paced game, with quick counter-attacks. Any coach would be lucky to have these quality players on their team. These players are very passionate about the game and never quite. With their speed and skill they can never be counted out. With their full squad back in time for the play-offs look for another strong run and return to the State Finals.

I agree with you on that #7. N ithink i know who u r now............but neways, if Barnwell does beat hampton, then they should certainly get the 3 seed, or no lower than 4.

jaguar,
I was looking at the combined opponent's records of the upper state 2a schools that are ranked and out of the bunch Wahalla has the opponents with the best wins loss record.

Yeah walhalla does seem to have the tougher schedule upstate

So are you trying to make a point that Walhalla should be the #1 seed instead of Emerald? Cuz if you are I can see your point and I would agree with you. Althrough, some of the teams that are below .500 that Emerald plays are in their region, so that don't really have a choice but to play them.

Walhalla's region opponents are almost identical in w/l totals.

#7, the same could be said for the four matches that Walhalla has to play against West-Oak (2-12) and Abbeville (3-13). As a result of region play Walhalla begins with a -22 W-L compared to the -26 Emerald begins with as a result of region play. This means Walhalla's non-region opponents have a W-L differential of +45 compared to Emerald's +10. I'm not trying to angle for any team to get any particular seed, I'm just shedding light on the discussion.

Opponents W/L as of 4/22 (upstate teams with winning records only):

Walhalla +23
Pendleton -4
Emerald -16
Batesburg-Leesville -18
Mid-Carolina -23
Palmetto -33
Broome -51

Looks like Lincoln locked up the #3 seed this weekend.

If you look at what counts for seedings (i.e. shoot out wins = tie and tournaments don't count) they have a loosing record.

If Bamberg hadn't played Thomas Sumter, Lakewood, Edisto, or Strom Thurmond they could have gotten the 1 seed...

What if Jasper beats Wade Hampton and Barnwell loses to Wade Hampton? That would put Wade Hampton, Barnwell, and Silver Bluff in a 3 way schedule tie in the region (5-3).

Barnwell beating Silver Bluff both times
Silver Bluff beating Wade Hampton Both times
So far, Wade Hampton beating Barnwell once (possibly twice)

It could be interesting to see what comes of this situation. This will be a fun week to follow.

Lincoln will get the #2 seed and Bamberg #3. Kickman, there is no way Bamberg would be seeded #1 if they didn't play those teams. They haven't really played anyone. Academic Magnet and a healthy Lincoln is on another level with Christ Church in 1A.

As for 2a..........Coach Holt i was thinking the same thing n dat would be a crazy thing. the same almost happened las year with WH, JC, n barnwell, n we had to wait till the last game to decide the champion. But like i said earlier, if barnwell wins they should get a 3 seed, especially if they beat hanahan. If Hampton wins, then they can be a 4 or 5. As for 1a, i agree with striker.

Quick Questions - - -
In seeding for playoffs, are there any rules tied to Region finishes.
That is, can a team which finishes #2 or #3 in a Region be seeded higher than a team which finishes #1 in another Region?
Also, are there limits as to the number of teams that can make playoffs from any one Region?
Finally - if a team has 0 wins all year, can they make playoffs?
Just wondering???

For your first question, It's happened before where teams that finished lower in the region got higher seeds than teams that finished high. But that would be unfair because look at some of the regions in 2a. They're not that strong. Also, i dont think there's any limits cuz last year region 5 had all teams go to playoffs, n ithink some regions only have 3 or 4 teams overall. N as for the 0 wins, no i dont think so. But this is just my opinion, nothin concrete

The seeding is done by a committee like the NCAA basketball tournament. It is unlikely that a team will be seeded higher than a region opponent who finished higher in the region, since region finish usually accompanies head to head and common opponents, a large part of the consideration. I imagine it may happen in the case where the lower region team has a much tougher successful non region schedule, or won head to head matches but lost the region--however, with the precedent of region finish in the upper classes the evidence would have to be pretty overwhelming I would think.
Region finishes in different regions I would think would be irrelevant. A 4th place in one region may be seeded higher than a 1st place in a weaker region based on schedule strength, etc.
Currently there is no limit to the amount of teams in the playoffs to my knowledge. If the playoff pool grows too big to accomodate all of the teams, then class 2A will probably start using region finish like 3A and 4A.
I think that winless teams may be in the playoffs. The only requirement is to enter. In my opinion, these things are what make the lower classes more fun to talk about than the higher.

so what's up with andrew jackson? waccamaw will be tested tonight vs. N. Myrtle Beach 3A after a long break. I think they haven't played in 3 weeks. I agree with you newt about lincoln. I felt that way last year. They will also be tested this week when they play at socastee. With both teams playing very similar up top should be an exciting match. by the way does anyone know about lincolns injuries?

Kickman, I agree with the points above that is why Smaller classifications make good conversation. With the upper state I think the two top seeds are Wahalla and Emerald as a toss up. You can look at strength of schedule and such but some times us smaller schools are limited in who we play because of distance to travel. This year should make a fun year in the tourney. Good luck to all, except against us. ;-)

waccamaw 1 north myrtle beach 4. waccamaw ran out of gas.

Well now that hampton handled jasper last nite, we once again have hampton/barnwell fighting for the region crown. But my question is, what seeding should the champ get out of this region? I believe that being we have such a tough region, the winner should get at least a 4, unless barnwell wins then tehy should be a 3

OK - Here is some "relevant?" information concerning AA teams as of Wednesday, April 25. Still, not all games have been played nor all scores posted. But . . . Here Goes My Predictions and the information used:

Upper State
Seeding/Team/Overall/Region/Opp W%/Goal Diff/Quality Wins
1 Emerald / 14-3-0 / 10-0-0 / 42.78 / +91 / 3
2 Walhalla / 11-6--0 / 7-1-0 / 55.67 / +45 / 3
3 B-L / 16-5-0 / 8-2-0 / 43.58 / +71 / 4
4 Palmetto / 12-4-1 / 6-2-0 / 39.67 / +37 / 4
5 Broome / 13-1-0 / 8-0-0 / 28.57 / +38 / 0
6 Pendleton/ 8-8-0 / 5-3-0 / 48.77 / -9 / 4
7 Gilbert / 6-9-0 / 2-0-0 / 46.48 / +8 / 0
8 Mid Car / 9-7-0 / 6-4-0 / 41.99 / -8 / 1
9 Woodruff / 8-10-1 / 6-2-0 / 52.94 / -30 / 0
10 Carolina / 5-6-0 / 3-4-0 / 44.35 / -16 / 0
11 Saluda / 2-10-0 / 2-6-0 / 48.25 / -22 / 0
12 Columbia / 3-9-0 / 0-2-0 / 39.57 / -33 / 1
13 Chapman / 0-8-0 / 0-6-0 / 41.11 / -30 / 0
14 Southside/ 0-10-0 / 0-5-0 / 51.47 / -41 / 0
15 West Oak / 2-12-0 / 1-7-0 / 42.31 / -16 / 0
16 Ninety Si/ 0-11-0 / 0-6-0 / 52.85 / -56 / 0
17 Abbeville/ 3-14-0 / 1-7-0 / 48.04 / -67 / 0
18 Newberry / 0-13-9 / 0-8-0 / 53.78 / -79 / 0

Lower State
Seeding/Team/Overall/Region/Opp W%/Goal Diff/Quality Wins
1 Bishop Eng/ 18-5-0 / 8-0-0 / 64.71 / +75 / 9
2 Waccamaw / 12-5-1 / 8-0-0 / 52.25 / +65 / 3
3 Buford / 14-3-0 / 3-1-0 / 45.03 / +53 / 5
4 Andrew Jac/ 12-1-0 / 3-1-0 / 44.07 / +35 / 6
5 Barnwell / 12-4-0 / 7-2-0 / 54.73 / +21 / 0
6 Wade Hamp / 10-6-0 / 6-3-0 / 46.63 / +15 / 3
7 Silver Blu/ 9-7-0 / 5-3-0 / 50.34 / +23 / 2
8 Andrews / 13-6-0 / 3-5-0 / 44.26 / -2 / 4
9 Hanahan / 8-6-1 / 6-2-0 / 57.46 / -11 / 1
10 Edisto / 9-8-0 / 2-7-0 / 47.3 / -7 / 1
11 Burke / 7-8-0 / 1-7-0 / 54.87 / -20 / 2
12 Garrett Te/ 3-9-0 / 2-6-0 / 56.82 / -19 / 0
13 Aynor / 6-10-0 / 6-2-0 / 47.79 / -20 / 0
14 Jasper Co / 1-7-0 / 1-6-0 / 57.65 / -20 / 0
15 Marion / 3-13-0 / 3-5-0 / 54.01 / -27 / 0
16 Cheraw / 2-12-0 / 0-4-0 / 64.75 / -40 / 0
17 Loris / 2-11-0 / 1-5-0 / 43.80 / -36 / 0
18 Mullins / 0-6-0 / 0-6-0 / 36.51 / -40 / 0

Upper State proves interesting with any of the top 6 teams capable of winning. But, Walhalla is sliding (3 straight losses), B-L is rising but not proven, Palmetto has beaten Walhalla, Pendleton beat Palmetto, and Broome hasn't played anyone all year. I still feel Emerald will come out on top when all is said and done, and move on to State.
Lower State is Bishop England's to lose. Don't see much competition here with the exception of Waccamaw. All the talk about Region 5 - they won't make it into the final four.
SO - - - Emerald vs. B-E in finals with B-E again taking the championship.

The only problem with the information you're looking at is that tournaments and scrimmages don't count towards seeding. Eliminate that information and you might get a different picture of what will happen.

Please explain your definition of a quality win.

Where is the info coming from that tournaments don't count? Of course they count. Many of the most competitive games come from tournaments.
For me, quality win is subjective: some guidelines may be--against a team that is ranked in its classification (or has been ranked and is still close), against larger schools with winning records, etc.

OK, I'll be a little more specific. Tournaments definitely count as far as making a team better. For seeding, however, only regular season games count. That does not include tournaments or scrimmages unless one of those games is a head to head game and it is deciding a tie breaker. Hope that's a little more clear.

No scrimmage information was or is included.
Tournaments were included in the information - but I did not give them as much weight as regular season games in my final conclusion.
Quality wins is very subjective - - - I tried to use two criteria: any win against a ranked AA team, or any win over a AAA or AAAA team with winning record.

ALSO -
I have heard so much about playing a tough schedule (55% winners versus 40% winners) - in my humble opinion - it doesn't matter how tough your schedule is if you don't win any of those games. Bottom line, you have to win no matter who you play. In AA, schedule is predicated by so many uncontrollable factors: other Region teams, travel ability, and willingness of other teams to play you.

In the sense that the subject was first approached from seeding predictions, I was simply giving my predictions as of Wed., April 25. I gave the information along with to show a little of how I derived at my seedings and to generate other discussion and opinions.

I think we can see that the top half of Upper and Lower remains about the same no matter what information you look at. The 9-16 teams may switch around, but probably no team seeded over 9 will proceed to the second round anyway in my opinion. In AA, the tournament really starts with 2nd Round.

fanman, my question is you seem to think its obvious that tournaments don't count for seeding. This is not obvious to me and I am wondering where you have gotten this information.
soccer07, the quality wins supplement the strength of schedule. Wins + strength of schedule overrule win-loss record.

Yeah in AA the tournament really begins in the second round. Still, i dunno about not havin a region 5 team in the final four this year. It can happen just like somebody can catch BE sleeping. But we'll see what happens

I agree completely with what you're saying. Strength of schedule is important and often overlooked. But tournaments and scrimmages not being included is not an opinion. The form you fill out that goes to the seeding committee does NOT have anything except your regularly scheduled 16 games (2 additional possible with league approval if not playing a tournament.) The only time tournaments will possibly come up is if it sheds light on head to head games that were played between two teams of the same class where they don't play during the regular season.

So what does this system count as quality wins?

It's up to the seeding committee to determine what qualifies as a quality win.

Thank you, I see what you are saying. The form says to list "your 2007 soccer schedule." I assume this means all games, although the 16 blanks clearly make it difficult to include tournaments or the extra games you spoke of.

Does anyone know who is on the committee this year? I have not seen anything about it yet.

Not using tournament results for purposes of seeding has been a SCHSL rule at least since I have been at the Magnet (4 years). There is a topic in this thread for the 1A seeding committee.

What form for the seeding committee are you guys referring to?

There is a form on the schsl website that A and AA coaches have to fill out and fax in by 9AM Friday morning. There are 16 spaces for your regular season schedule. You list your opponents and the score each game. The seeding committee looks at each team's sheet and decides who to seed where.

Here's a wrinkle that affects both 1A and 2A:

GSSM finishes up the season 11 - 4 by squeaking by current #8 in 2A - Buford. Game was decided by PK's after the regulation and OT ended 2 - 2.
PKs: GSSM 5 - Buford 4

3 of the 4 GSSM losses were against ranked teams. The first two against Indian Land, when they were ranked 5th in 1A, (what happened to them?) the other against Buford.

How do you think that influences the seedings?

You definitely made it much tighter. Bamberg's best win is Strom Thurmond who lost twice to unranked 2A Silver Bluff. Bamberg also lost to Strom Thurmond. Governor's best win is Buford, although I think the committee may view that as a tie, along with Aynor, and Hartsville. Marlboro County may be the most solid straight victory. Worst loss for GS is twice to Indian Land, who despite the ranking early on has not lived up to it and will be viewed for what they are now. Bamberg's worst non tournament loss is Edisto who I believe is clearly better than Indian Land. I think the leaning still goes to Bamberg--and it may be important as the semifinal difference is Academic Magnet or Lincoln, and Lincoln has looked vulnerable lately.

Coach Cady, congrats on the win. I was on the other side of the PK shootout in Hartsville 3 years ago when Buford and GSSM were both the cream of lower state 1A.

It can be argued that IL has gone downhill since the beginning of the season, and that GSSM's losses to them are not as bad.

On the other hand, it also be argued that Buford is playing down right now...especially after the loss at AJ. This would take away from GSSM's win.

It's all in how the seeding committee sees it.

Wow, Lincoln losing 1-11 to Socastee??? They better hope they get their players back or they are def. not making it back to the championship. I see it being AM vs. CC anyway though.

The brackets are out for A, but it seems like an unbelievable joke. http://www.schsl.org/2006%20Brackets/bso%20a.htm

Bamberg gets the 6 seed and Blackville-Hilda gets the 4 despite the fact that Bamberg beat BH twice, has a better record, and a more quality win. BH has better opponent record, but they never beat any of those opponents.

The only way this can make sense is Bamberg must have missed the deadline--yet they are still seeded, and the penalty for missing the deadline is a fine, not a reduction in standing..

At least the Governor School/Bamberg debate will be decided first round...

2A is harder to grasp at a glance. First off, Jasper County seems kind of low after beating 9 seed Edisto twice...but I had them low before that. A 5 seed seems kind of high for Hanahan, but I can't argue too much.

Upperstate looks okay.

Overall, 2A makes pretty good sense.

yeah 1a is crazy.............but as for 2a, i think hanahan is too high n either silver bluff or hampton should have been higher than Hanahan, but too bad we (jasper) have a region foe in the first round.

The 1A lower state may at first appear to be a joke, however, it may also make sense if you understand the reasoning. Here's a little of how it went. GSSM and Bamberg were both considered the 3rd seed, however, that obviously can't happen. With both the GSSM and Bamberg coaches present, GSSM was given the ever so slight edge by perceived strength of schedule (fully debatable - and causing much anquish). This placed Bamberg 4th, which would have them play Blackville - again. Since the real issue was who was third, it was proposed to have GSSM play Bamberg resolving that question. So Bamberg was moved to 6th. Is it pure? No. Does it make sense? At a lot of levels yes, maybe not yours.

That makes better sense coach. Thanks for that

If Bamberg and Gov. School both agree, they are the teams most affected. Everyone else should be happy since they basically got higher seeds. Plus, the matchups should be more interesting--Branchville/BH and Governor's School/Bamberg should be better games.

SO............ who's gonna get a first round upset?

> Here it is...
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> #1 AMHS
> #8 Noth
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> #4 Blackville-Hilda
> #5 Branchville
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> #3 Govenor's School
> #6 Bamberg
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> #7 Williston-Elko
> #2 Lincoln

That's some poor spelling guardrail!

My thoughts are: AM v. Lincoln in Lower State finals! AM goes through to State!

it was copied so I'll be sure and make note to the originator

Lincon is very vunerable unless they've been sand bagging lately

Hey does anyone know what TIME the 1A championship game is?

Unless changed, I believe it has been set at 11:30 am