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My daughter got her ODP acceptance letter last weekend.
1. How can they know if someone has made the first cut before evaluating the participants in the make up try-outs?
2. Why are there make up try-outs in Lexington Dec. 2nd, Upstate Dec.15th and none in the lower part of the state?
3. How many girls make it to the second round of tryouts (sub-regionals)?
4. Is money the driving factor in the ODP process?
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I believe that money drives everything...however
1- see the attached excerpt from SCYSA website
"ODP Make up dates are for players who are injured (need doctors note) or players who have a commitment to their soccer team, league game or tournament, that have been scheduled prior to the posted tryout dates. All players need to make an appointment so we can have coaches in place for the make-up date."
2- no idea
3- as with 1 above... it is heavily dependent on the age group. At the younger ages they may make 2 teams instead of one...for sure the 90 age group will be one team... most likely in the 18 player size.
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will they have a 90 age group?
the first cut is made when they announce the sub-regional teams. for the girls it’s always been 2 teams with around 34 to 36 players. after the sub-regionals they make the final cut to 16 to 18 players with the possibility of a few alternate players.
ODP is more hype/image than substance but the experience/friendship/exposure is worthwhile.
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I don't know if there will be a regional or national 90s team, but it is my understanding that there won't be a 90s SC team.
I think the ODP program has provided good training, although it would probably be better if there were more of it but I know the coaches run into problems getting consistent participation because of high school conflicts (go figure!). Also I'm assuming the region camp is a worthwhile soccer experience with more good training provided. I think it just comes down to what the player is in it for, as to whether it is worth the expense. If they're in it for good training and experience and they love soccer and you have the money, then it is worthwhile. But if they're in it only to make the region team or even region pool their chances are slim, coming from SC, relative to similar caliber players from other states. Just my opinion, but IT SEEMS TO ME if you have 2 equally skilled, experienced, knowledgeable, capable, fit, etc. players and one is from SC and one is from say North Texas, they are going to pick the one from North Texas or the one that has some connections or someone lobbying for them.
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Through my years of dealing with ODP they have always skipped over the lower part of the State.
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My experience over the last two years is that the ODP experience is dependent on the desire of the player and the desire/quality of coaching. Last years experience was excellent due to quality coaching and committment. The instruction was awesome. However, in the prior year coaching interest was weak and the players committment suffered. I also think that as the days get closer to region camp and payment the number begin to dwindle. I believe funding/cost should be improved as the ODP experience will not be garnering top talent with the new outside pressures of the academy programs. In other words the talent pool will shrink due to the academy program and increasing funding or reducing costs would allow for the talent pool to increase. That is all above my pay grade within the SCYSA world however.
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What ODP is about:
1) Prideful representation as a State team player.
2) Ability to compete against many of the best players from other States.
3) Expansion of training techniques and exposure to a variety of coaching styles . . . primarily from college level coaches.
4) The opportunity for an aspiring player to build individual confidence by accepting the challenge to go through the 6 to 7 month long process of striving to make the final cut and secure a spot to attend Region Camp.
5) The opportunity to build relationships with competing national and regional club players and coaches.
6) Finally and ultimately, there is the opportunity to be recognized as an accomplished player for Pool Games, the Region Team or The National Team.
Those who discount SC players because of where they are from look at the glass as half empty instead of half full. There are multiple ways for SC players to move to a higher level of play and ODP represents one of many avenues.
USYSA ODP, USSF Academy, USL ODP, US Club ODP all give players an opportunity to compete and train at a different and ultimately a higher level than many club teams are able to move to.
Exposure to multiple coaching styles builds well rounded players. Through ODP a player will grow technically, tactically and personally. Is it perfect? Absolutely not? But, how many things in life are?
Get your player involved in the competition to secure a place on a SC ODP team. The experience is well worth it.
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Greenacres, Just curious - What ODP age group is your daughter in? Some of the other age grps just got emails telling them they were going to Gainesville in Jan.
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Manchester,
I really liked and totally agree with your assessment of the ODP program. The only thing I would add though would be the fact that it is a resume builder for those kids aspiring to play college ball at some level.
I am constantly amazed at the ODP friends my son has made from throughout the state and how he keeps in contact with them through myspace and emails. Seems every tournament we go to it takes an extra 20 - 30 minutes to leave the field as we have to stop and talk to ODP teammates.
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I would agree with Manchester and soccer63 with their assessment of SC ODP. I would also add that I served as a parent chaperone for the boys Regional trip to Alabama a couple of years ago and all I can say is that everything was EXCELLENT ! The staff and coaches are first class and have the best interest of the players in mind. From the greatest player to the least player they all got one-on-one attention during the camp and were always encouraged.
Bottom line... great program and like all programs, can always get better!
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Soccer63,
Well said. My son has played ODP since he was 10 and he's built friendships with players from multiple clubs. Time well spent.
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Thank you for your service to the ODP players. Such commitments of time by parents and coaches play a huge role in helping young players grow. The process of learning what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior as representatives of the State team or simply as individuals is part of the ODP experience.
Players who take pride in their accomplishments, believe in their team and themselves typically perform well during Interstate and Regional events.
Ultimately, such results come from instruction and thoughtful oversight. There are too many outstanding players who don't participate in ODP for whatever reason and that needs to change if SC is to give it's players the best opportunity to be seen at the top level.
It's human nature for scouting coaches to gravitate towards the most competitive teams, which is one reason why an emphasis needs to be placed on participation in the program.
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Does anybody no when the Womens ODP Regionals will be held?? I know it is suppose to be in Alabama again, but can not find the dates.
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all it says is JULY. We are actually going to try and plan a vacation without soccer and are needing dates.
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Can anyone tell me what kind of turn out the boys had yesterday?
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Depends on what age group your child is in. It is usually the first two weeks in July.
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Appeared to be fewer boys in both the 93 and 94 age groups.
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'92 boys appeared to have the same numbers as last year. (around 42 or so). This was surprising due to the abscence of some Bridge players with Academy. I felt as did my son that although the numbers were the same the quality of player trying out was much improved. A very good showing by CESA this year will hopefully elevate the 92 team's performance.
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I believe there were 48 94's registered but I don't even think there were 35 present Sunday.
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The 92 Boys had 49 players attend tryouts which was a huge improvement over last year. As Soccer 16 says, CESA Premier turned out 11 of 14 players who were disbursed across the 92's and 93's. Additionally, two high caliber players from CUFC 91 Elite who did not play last year returned. The loss of one player to NC will be felt, but there are many new faces to fill the gap. Great turnout and looking forward to seeing the pool.
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Correction. CESA 92 turned out 12 of 14 players.
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I believe there were 48 94's registered but I don't even think there were 35 present Sunday.
I counted 31. Why would so many kids be missing? Is that normal......to have 35% of your registered kids not show up?
What there a tournament or something going on?
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There was a tournament in Atlanta this past weekend for the '94 age group.
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Not only was there a tournament in Atlanta this weekend, the make-up date is scheduled during winter break and we for one will not be able to attend that either.
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who are going to be the key players for the 92's?
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They are too countless to name. This will be a TEAM of highly skilled and accomplished players who compliment each other. The competition to make the team will be intense, demanding and rewarding for all who have the desire to proudly wear a South Carolina ODP uniform.
The coaching is literally World Class and I predict this group will compete and win at the highest level within the ODP program in '08. Best of luck to all who make the first cut and beyond.
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Wow,
"I predict this group will compete and win at the highest level within the ODP program in '08" That's a great deal of pressure to put on this group in light of what the 91's, both boys and girls accomplished last year.
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I agree the coaching for the 92's was top notch from what I observed and there is some incredible talent on that team - but considering the record of that team in Starkeville last July that is a pretty bold statement to make.
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The '92 team this year will be comprised of much more talent as virtually every top player of age from around the State came out this year. Many of those in attendance did not play ODP last year.
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No pressure. Just the facts. That's the way the players who came out compete.
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Did the same boys turn out for the 91's or were there new faces?
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New players there as well. CUFC 91 Elite contributed most of them.
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There was a tournament in Atlanta this past weekend for the '94 age group.
Does anybody know what teams from SC went to Atlanta this past weekend?
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CESA had teams in attendance.
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Anyone else baffled about the number of girls from the 94 age group invited to sub regionals in January? I think 40+ girls is a little excessive for their 2nd year.
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North Carolina had 170 girls tryout in this age group. They cut 90 girls and now have a second tryout coming up to decide on what to do with the 80 that remain. If the NCYSA staff determines that all of these girls are worthy, I hear they might field five teams.
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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Whats the harm in letting 40+ 94's get some extra training? I see this as a good thing. I hope SC ODP grows to the numbers that states like FL,TX,CA have in attendance.
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I heard tonight that Tatum Clowney is joining Todd Bramble in Alabama.
Rohan Naraine of Coastal Carolina is now listed on the SCYSA website as the new coach for the 94's.
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Yes, this is true. Tatum got an increase in salary and a transportation allowance.
Also Georgia Tech has postponed their induction of Men's and Women's soccer programs because they fired their football coach with 4 years remaining on his contract (about 1 mil/year).
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If the 94's are carrying 40+ how many are the 93's and 92's carrying? I heard from another parent that there is at least one player on a list that was not at any tryout. I don't know the circumstances but it sure does't seem right after Mary Bynam's "no excuses" speach at tryouts.
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First of all, anytime an administrator is mentioned with ODP and personnel decisions in the same sentence, a main problem in this country's youth system is once again brought to the forefront. When it comes to ODP in South Carolina, Mary Bynum's name is mentioned more then top club or college coaches. BIG PROBLEM!
Second, the top players should be on any list they are good enough for, whether they tryout or not. ODP is supposed to be about getting the best players to the Regional and National levels and NOT about fairness. The ones who complain about "fairness" are usually parents of kids that aren't good enough or are on the bubble to get cut.
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I believe there are twenty-nine '92 Girls going to the sub-regional in Georgia.
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Beezer, I see the point you are trying to make but am a little confused as to your support. As far as I can tell Mary Bynum's name is only mentioned on this message board and not in connection with any SCYSA player personnel decisions. In fact, my son's ODP invitation specifically states that the coach has selected him to participate. The email comes from Mary as I would expect her to handle such admistrative tasks. As to her speach someone must be able to organize the group of unruly overprotective parents and the coaches certainly don't want any part of that.  As a parent, I know I don't! I agree with your comments concerning the top players should be participating. However, I am not sure it has much to do with participation at tryouts and/or the selection of players whom have not tried out. To the point it has more to do with money than anything else. If the goal is to select the best players than it should be free. Obviously, many great players don't attempt ODP due to financial constraints. In my opinion, players should be invitied to tryout based on their performance in the various leagues within the state. Their respective clubs could nominate them. Once invited those players should not have to foot the bill. This will allow for the selection pool to at least attempt to capture the best players in the state. Sadly, the current system only captures those that can afford it. With the introduction of the academy program one would expect the numbers to decrease which will affect the bottom line. A solution really needs to be defined to ensure the continued success of the ODP program. Finally, alot of the ODP experience depends on the player and coach. If the player is motivated and the coach is committed the training received is awesome. SCYSA needs to work with the coaches to ensure an adequate number of trainging dates and make sure the coaches are not just padding their personal resumes by going through the motions. Our experience last year was with some of the finest coaching my son has ever received.
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1) Administrator(s) has/have alot more to do with decisions related to players then posted on this message board or presented to parents at an ODP event.
2) Great point! Of course I agree it should be free but, come on, that's not even worth discussing. Will never happen!
3) I agree that ODP does depend on the experience. But thanks for making my point for me because administrators select coaches, training opportunities, teams structures and fees that affect the experience.
The fact that club coaches don't coach ODP is poor. Alot of club coaches are deserving as top coaches and relying just on college coaches is dangerous because a bunch, especially in this state, are not that good and are a reason fees are what they are because of the financial expectation they have for participating. The staff should be a good mixture of club and college and selected, based on evaluation, by a full-time State DOC.
Another source of income for ODP? Mulitple teams at an age group. Not needed! A good coach can pick 18-22 players in a weekend tryout. Then go with that smaller number, train them as much as possible and if you see a quality player along they way in a league or tournament game, then add them to training.
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How important is participating in ODP, when it comes to D-1 college players. Can anyone name any boys/girls that skipped ODP and played for a top 25 program.
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How many SC ODP players are currently playing for a top 25 program?
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Good question, I think that SC ODP has changed big time in the last 3-4 years. I predict several current players will be playing D-1 top team soccer in the near future. In looking at current D-1 rosters, it's hard to find a player without ODP experience. Just my opinion.
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Please tell me how the administrators have more to do with the selection of players than the parents are being told? How do you know this? I have spoken with several coaches and have been given no indication that their selections are altered once submitted.
Which will come first the end of ODP or free participation? As I said ODP will begin to feel pressure due to the academy program. Those pressures will cause the structure to be reviewed. If we don't talk about free participation of course it will never happen.
Someone has to select the coaches why not the administrators. There is way too much conspiracy theorism in your arguement. My experience has been that club coaches are involved as assistant coaches. What makes you think that club coaches are not going to carry new and different issues with them.
I too believe one team is enough. However, the smaller numbers give rise to new difficulties as players drop out due to cost, injuries and other commitments. Last year my sons team was barely able to fill a roster when it came time for region camp.
If you look at USC's roster most if not all have ODP experience!
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This is my final post on this topic but PLEASE don't put words in my mouth. I never said administrators select the actual rosters....they do not.
A broad example is team structures but call it what you may. Something like keeping multiple teams for a Sub-Regional event. Ridiculous, in a state like South Carolina.
If the teams are divided to be even, better players suffer not playing with other better players. If divided into A and B teams (better and worse), then why even have a B team? Just bring the top five bubble players on B team to training and give them until Regional Camp selection to prove themselves but don't keep a whole team's worth.
That's a type of personnel decision that 1) effects the better players not showing as well having to play with poor players and getting hammered at the event 2) gives the B team players no chance and 3) is a money maker...more kids going, more kids having to pay. Not needed!
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Oops! Your previous post appears to have changed!
I would think the amount of money SCYSA earns off having two teams participating is rather immaterial. The money still seems to be an issue doesn't it. I would think the coaches are more interested in seeing players in game situations. It is frustrating for many with A-B teams or evened teams. However, is it the coaches fault that when he does select one team half the players don't make it to region camp? The second team at least has given him a small opportunity to evaluate a larger pool of players. I do not believe they keep a whole teams worth until region camp but I may be wrong. What hurt's a player's development by training with a coach up to region camp? The "big" money isn't due until June so the coaching received should be worth the small amounts paid up to then.
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Thank you. Make sure you read completely before making a public assumption.
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beezer,the only reason i quote you is so i can remember what questions i want to answer.im not just picking on you but you raise some good questions. as far as the large numbers go i do not have much of a problem with taking many players at a younger age.when my oldest first started i wasnt to crazy about it but if you only took one team the first year these kids can play odp then you may not have enough when they get older.some kids will not come back because of not making it and some just will not come back.the numbers always drop off over time. as far as the A and B teams go it is not pleaseant either way.you may not make one good team and it hurts some but if you have a good player on a bad team they may get noticed more.remember that odp really is not about team anyway.i have seen them lined up in order by last name and the teams were split just like at practice.they went down the line pointing fingers (ABABABABAB)that is how the two teams were picked.im going to be on the other side on the money issue.i think we do not pay enough.like the old saying is,you get what you pay for.we have college coaches and as far as i know they get no money except maybe for room and board.when they have a practice it is on their own time.at holdover camp in bama two years ago i sat and talked to the mary bynum of texas.you would not believe what coaches are being paid and what parents are paying for odp in texas.they actually have a league these girls play in to try and move up to the A team.i promise you they pay alot more than we do.we pay for transportation,room and board.maybe that is one of the reasons we in sc are a little far behind. the last thing is mary bynum.i really do not know her but i know she runs a tight ship.i think i am 100 % accurate that mary has no say in who makes a team.if you act up or cause trouble at camp she will send you home.four years ago when mine started she had never stayed overnight anywhere except with realitives.we were really not sure about the overnight stay.after one time with mary i knew i had nothing to worry about.her main concern was the kids.besides,she laid down the law and they were not going to do anything wrong. as far as politics,well it starts past the sc team.when they look at keeping players sc is not their first option. sorry for all the spelling errors. Quote:
This is my final post on this topic but PLEASE don't put words in my mouth. I never said administrators select the actual rosters....they do not.
A broad example is team structures but call it what you may. Something like keeping multiple teams for a Sub-Regional event. Ridiculous, in a state like South Carolina.
If the teams are divided to be even, better players suffer not playing with other better players. If divided into A and B teams (better and worse), then why even have a B team? Just bring the top five bubble players on B team to training and give them until Regional Camp selection to prove themselves but don't keep a whole team's worth.
That's a type of personnel decision that 1) effects the better players not showing as well having to play with poor players and getting hammered at the event 2) gives the B team players no chance and 3) is a money maker...more kids going, more kids having to pay. Not needed!
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Soccer16 do you or your son play the game? Geesh let the kid enjoy it and have fun!
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Why not make a minor adjustment to the structure of ODP at the State level so it functions like it does at the Region Camp level?
At the Region Camp level, players are 1) there to represent their respective home state as a team and 2) there individually to compete for pool games and to be held over for consideration as a region team player, at NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE beyond the cost of attending the camp because all of the players in attendance have paid for the ones selected to stay over.
Why wouldn't SC ODP be strengthened by training an entire pool of select players until one month or even two weeks prior to Region Camp? The key here is for everyone to pay for top shelf training and those who are ultimately selected for the team attend Region camp at NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, because the fees have been covered by the entire pool of players competing for a place on the team.
This structure would be the same as paying to attend Region Camp and getting held over at NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE.
What's the ultimate benefit to the player? The player would experience the same energy found at Region Camp where players are competing to move to the next level as a team and individually.
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure such a structure would promote player involvement in ODP across the state.
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When and where will the Boys ODP camp be for 2008??
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July 2008 Boys Region III Camp
Tuscaloosa, AL at the facilities of the University of Alabama. The dates are:
92's, 93's and 94's Camp 1: July 8-12
(92's, 93's and 94's Holdovers: July 13-15)
91's and 95's Camp 2: July 13 - 17
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I don't think the Academy program is going to be as big of a success as people are saying. I spoke to a parent that has a child playing and they just drove 10 hours and stayed overnight just to play one game. That is 20 hours of driving in one weekend and one game. Wow that can get really expensive. Is it worth it??
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I remember several years ago driving to Virginia and not playing at all ( not in the Academy). Got up the next morning and drove home due to rain.
The Academy can not predict the weather nor can the tournament officials. Did not hurt my feelings got to spend time with the family and enjoy the company of others.
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SCYS should fund ODP for FREE, so the best of SC can play. They should use the funds they have in reserve, those ear marked for a SCYS complex. If we want to be the best we should let everyone play, not only those who can play and have deep pockets.
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I would agree. It would be nice to see SCYSA build the cost of ODP into the general player registration fees.
Anybody out there know how much extra, per player, that SCYSA would have to charge, in order to cover the cost of ODP?
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Hold on a minute. I don't mind helping out someone who needs the help. However, the last time I was at an ODP tryout, the parking lot was full of high end Lexus SUVs. I don't think it's the responsibility of every soccer-playing family in SC to pay for every player on ODP. If the SCYSA wants to add a surcharge to rec and classic level players to build up a "scholarship" or "endownment" fund for those who can demonstrate need, I'll be the first to say that's a great idea. But tell me that I have to subsidize the training of someone who is far more capable of paying than I am, and I have a problem with that.
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Have to agree with Lurker on this one..Once people find out that they could pay less or play for free then you will see playmakers and high end players wanting a free ride because their kid is all that!!!No need to argue this point because I have seen this happen first hand..The people that actually need the help would probably be the last to ask for it...
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You're exactly right, many parents are too proud to ask for a "handout" so their kids can do something (youth sports) that basically cost them nothing when they were growing up.
So that being the case.....why not build a very small nominal fee into the general registration so that EVERYONE can compete for an ODP spot. Then we are not just catering to those that can "afford it".
How about those 14 year old Chelsea boys down at Disney this past weekend? How much do their parents have to pay for them to get a little extra, high-end training?
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The parking lot is filled with high end vehicles because it simply cost quite a bit to play elite soccer and dropping thousands of dollars on training and playing elite isn't in reach of everyone. the point of making ODP free is so that more folks with beat up pick ups from construction sites can go to the show. But, I'm with you -- I'm not too keen on subsidizing my Lexus driving neighbor's kid to play elite soccer.
But for the sake of arguement let's assume if you make it free, that those coming to tryouts will increase to 72 (4 teams x 18 player/team), we still only take two teams to subregional, and of course one team to regionals. So for any one gender/age group ...
$85.00 x 72 = $6,120
$235.00 x 36 =$8,460
$750.00 x 18 = $13,500
... for a total of $28,080 for one gender/age group ... or $280,800 for both genders and 5 age groups. Dividing by, say 19,000 players, that be an extra $14.78/player. Currently, recreation players pay $8-$10/year for SCYSA registration.
... in truth not all that bad, but I dont think I could sell that in my house. I'd also argue that we'd then be looking to increase the amount of training we actually give, i.e., why not round 14.78 up to 20, or 25, or ...
... Hmmm, if I had one of the larger clubs with 2000+ recreation players contributing an extra $15/player, or $30,000 total ... I wonder how long it would take them to change allegiances?
... So, in my mind, the current approach has warts on it, but it seems more palitable than the alternative.
... So why not use the Publix money to (partially) foot the bill. Isn't it basically the same arguement. Rather than subsidize the elite player, why not subsidize all players --- why not make SCYSA player registration free ... it costs nothing .. absolutely nothing to join SCYSA.
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If you reverse engineer the national team program you'll find players are selected and do not pay to play. The only conclusion one can draw is fees are paid through contributions made by every club player in the national system.
The current state team system, which feeds the region team system, which feeds the national team system, would benefit from a structure built on the same principal.
I don't need to know how much of my annual rec., classic, or elite level dues are going to the state team financial pool my son or daughter may be fortunate enough to earn a spot on, nor do I care.
Such a system, would lead to a higher level of excellence during the club season for every player interested in playing at the next level. Why? Because competing for a personal reward or in this case an opportunity to earn a spot at the next level does something for an athlete no coach or parent can do.
Having a personal goal to achieve always brings out the best in the athlete who truly wants to do what it takes to succeed. Work hard, be coachable, have a great attitude, spend time with the ball away from practice, do more than is asked of you combined with some natural ability and you might get to play at the next level.
Wouldn't it be great if every player in the SC club system, regardless of financial ability, had the opportunity to compete for a region team spot (currently no charge) or a national team spot (currently no charge) because they were able to compete for a state team spot (currently an additional charge) because the fees were covered within the club fees in the event they were selected.
In my opinion. eligible players should be nominated by their coach and/or club and then invited to tryout by the coach of their SC ODP age group. Players who are not nominated should also be allowed to tryout for a nominal fee. In the event a non nominated player is selected, the participation fees would be paid via the system just as if the player was a nominated and selected player. This would prevent the potential problem of having the entire club system show up for ODP tryouts.
Surely an additional $15 or $20 built into rec. and club fees per season would be a logical way to bring about such an opportunity for all aspiring youth soccer players!
Imagine the excitement that could be generated among SC Club players for ODP with such a system in place.
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I feel you and know where your coming from. IMO what you are missing is the exceptional players have never had to pay to play soccer. They have always been scholarshipped.
Yes your model is great, but it will only financially afford the "talented" (but not exceptional) player get to their next level.
National teams are made up of exceptional soccer atheletes. These players are usually ALWAYS scholarshipped so your model will not help them or the National programs. It may help some with the opportunity to play college ball somethere, though.
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Having a personal goal to achieve always brings out the best in the athlete who truly wants to do what it takes to succeed. Work hard, be coachable, have a great attitude, spend time with the ball away from practice, do more than is asked of you combined with some natural ability and you might get to play at the next level.
Combine these items with the right environment and you have the essence of the elite player development. You can have all of the personal attributes and be in the wrong environment, or be in the right environment without the personal attributes, and development is stifled.
In my opinion, ODP is not the avenue to "development", but rather exposure and validation of the players previous development.
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I guess my question is why could we not meet in the middle? What could we do to reduce the fees of ODP to make it more affordable but not necessarily free? I seriously doubt making it free would bring in many rec players with the skills of kids playing for Cesa, CUFC or Bridge (or any other clubs in the state). There may be a few but the reason your kid plays club ball and not rec is because he/she was probably ready for that challenge and since they got there they have higher levels of coaching not a teammates dad. If they haven't progressed past most rec players you are wasting your money.
But I do like the idea of finding a way to lower the cost through a small SCYS fee, Publix or other sponsors,etc.
Rather than $230 to go the sub regions can we make it more affordable like $115. Rather than $750 or whatever we paid last July can we get to $375. Face it - if your kid does not play ODP he will probably be going to a $400-$600 camp somewhere. If he/she gets good ODP training through the year and good training at region camp in July is it really a bad deal? Plus like Bear said it gives "exposure and validation of the players previous development" all the while serving as a resume builder for potential college ball.
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Very easy formula for reducing the cost from $230 to $115.
NCYSA is charging $125 for the weekend in Georgia for the '94 Girls.
No bus, players get their own transportation. Since the players' parents are driving them to Gainesville, the parents are going to stay and watch their daughters play. Thus, the players will stay in hotel rooms with their parents!
Knock out the bus and knock out the hotel rooms.....and you knock down the cost!
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In your option you don't knock down the cost, you shift the cost.
For your child to go to these events, either you are going to pay for the group transportation, lodging and meals, or you are going to pay for yours and your childs transportation, lodging and meals.
Of course, for many it's easier to pay the cost if they see the benefit. Meaning, some people would have less of an issue paying for the hotel room for them and their child, and even the meals, since they are then going to be able to watch them play. But I really think, if you actually compare the costs, you will find that to be a more expensive option than the group rates.
One of the things ODP requires is for the players to stay together. So if the parents want to go, then it's an additional cost.
Every year when the topic of cost comes up I've wondered how much is really for increasing the opportunity for the underserved market, and how much is for selfish gain. If the cost of the program was artifically lowered, then more "families" would be able to enjoy the weekend. If it's free for participation, then any cost would be for others to go, not the players.
There probably is a way to offset some of the costs, but that would require money from elsewhere within the SCYSA budget. Currently, ODP is required to be self sufficient.
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Funds are already available. The complex funds that are accumulating at SCYS. If we truly want to have the best possible SC team we need to allow everyone of the proper skill to tryout, not just the wealthy. There is a reason the odp parking lot is full of nice sport utility vehicles, the cost of the program, DUH.
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all of you are talking about making it easier to get better players by getting the cost down for odp.you may need to get the cost down at the club level so you can get the better players playing soccer in the first place.they may start out at rec but after a few years at the 6,7 and 8 yr old ages the parents start looking at what is the next level.they see the cost and head back to baseball,basketball,etc... if a kid is not getting the best soccer at an earlier age then they most likely do not have the skill for odp anyway.i agree with one of the other post that odp is not to make you a better player but to give you the exsposure.
as far as cutting out the bus ride and hotels to get the cost down.i think that is part of what the kids like.my question would be what do you do for the parents that can not afford to take off work or the gas to get their kid there? do you add that into the fees for other players to pay for some parents to take off work to get their player to the venue? im not going to.
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Funds are already available. The complex funds that are accumulating at SCYS. If we truly want to have the best possible SC team we need to allow everyone of the proper skill to tryout, not just the wealthy. There is a reason the odp parking lot is full of nice sport utility vehicles, the cost of the program, DUH.
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some of the other states has a league where there may be 6 odp teams at each age.they play each other and if you are not on the A team now you may be if you play well.you get moved up or down according to your play.this way the coaches get a better look at the players over time rather than one or two days.
i know sc could not have that many teams at each age but maybe they could do something similar and it would spread the cost out over time.
you have a tryout and you have a training session and play games maybe once a month for a fee.by the time bama rolls around then you should know who the best players for the team are.also with the training fees being paid it would cut down on the cost of the players going to bama.with not having as many girls to fill several team then maybe you could play up or down some.such as the 91s playing the 90s.
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Bear, I would imagine that the vast majority of parents of the 94 Girls will be going to Gainesville to watch their daughters play. If so, then you are not "shifting" the cost....you are making it cheaper for the families. Having said that, I will agree that my daughter very much likes the dorm-style setting where the players and coaches are isolated from the parents. Hfeet, I drive a 2000 Dodge Safari van with 200,000 miles on it....and a side panel off of it! As long as my daughters continue playing club soccer we will drive that bad boy into the ground!
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I would imagine that the vast majority of parents of the 94 Girls will be going to Gainesville to watch their daughters play. If so, then you are not "shifting" the cost....you are making it cheaper for the families. Having said that, I will agree that my daughter very much likes the dorm-style setting where the players and coaches are isolated from the parents.
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I drive a 2000 Dodge Safari van with 200,000 miles on it....and a side panel off of it! As long as my daughters continue playing club soccer we will drive that bad boy into the ground!
but your other car is a beamer 
if my kid needs a ride home just make sure the seatbelts work in the van or tie her on to the roof rack real good.
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Having said that, I will agree that my daughter very much likes the dorm-style setting where the players and coaches are isolated from the parents.
I think that is a huge part of the ODP experience. My son loved the bus ride, spending time and getting to know players from other clubs (who he continues to keep in contact with year round). Not to mention it is what the coaches are looking for - get the players away from family and let them focus on soccer - not where mom & dad want to eat supper after the games.
As far as the post trying to reduce fees for club soccer - It may be difficult with all the costs clubs have plus the July - Nov. or Dec. committment from the coaches.
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im willing to bet that kids in texas pay alot more than we do if you are in one of the big texas clubs and play odp there.seems they are getting the good players.i guess all the money they are making from oil these days it is off setting the cost.maybe we can use lottery money to cover the cost to play soccer.
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Hfeet, I drive a 2000 Dodge Safari van with 200,000 miles on it....and a side panel off of it! As long as my daughters continue playing club soccer we will drive that bad boy into the ground!
i bet mine will still get me home from orlando in a hurry!!!!!
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Leave that lottery money alone! None of us are convinced yet that all this money we are plowing into club soccer is going to cover our daughters college expenses!!! 
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Just to keep the pot boiling. Tenn is charging kids 80 bucks for the Jan 12th and 13th Sub regional.
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Might need a boiling pot come next Saturday in Winston Salem. The 10 day forecast on Weather.com shows a low of 40 and a high of 49 with a 60% chance of rain.
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if that is the case then i guess they have horse and buggys in their parking lot 
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Does not have to work that way, just the other way... Kind of my whole point.
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Alabama 95 bucks for the sub regional.
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i know for a fact that they have old pick ups in their parking lot.gun racks in the window.
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Alright - no bulletin board material for other states the week before the sub region.
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agreed, we need to think about this subject for the next years, this year is done. Probably right about the gun racks...
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With a low of 40 the boys will feel like they are in the Bahamas compared to the last two years in Charlotte. Two years ago the second game of the day started at 26 degrees. They skated very nicely accross the pastures!
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If I remember correctly last year on Sunday morning it was 37 with a light rain. Forecast still calling for 49 both days next weekend with a 30% chance of rain Saturday and a 60% Sunday. Of course I will believe the forecast next Saturday morning when we are there.
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I remember previous years to that leaving Charlotte in a snow storm. First time my son played soccer in the snow!!
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i just got finished looking at the north texas and cal south ODP sites.if you get a chance look at their training.it looks like every weekend.i bet they pay more but i also bet the coaches are getting a good look at the players compared to what ours get with the one tryout and then sub reginals
south carolina has stepped it up a little with the younger kids.my 96 has several training dates even though they cannot tryout this year.
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I think you should have a pool until it is time to go to camp in July. If the kids know this they might train harder. Have more scrimmages so you can look at the players more. I agree with you happyfeet SC needs to have more training for this program.
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As I previous stated, the best improvement SC ODP could make would be to carry a pool of players until two weeks prior to region camp. Convert the fees for tryouts and region camp into training fees for the pool and allow for participants to make equal monthly payments.
This structure supports a more frequent training schedule and puts every player in the same competitive environment they will experience at region camp.
The players selected from the pool would then advance to regional camp at no additional fee. All players would benefit from the increased frequency of training and competition during training as players compete for a spot on the State team. Everyone benefits.
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Game One: SC1 92
SC1 - 6
AL1 - 2
Game Two: SC1 92
SC1 - 1
GA1- 2
SC2 92
Game 1: loss 1-3
Game 2: loss 0-2
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From Gainesville: SC 91 Girls 1 - Tennessee 0 SC 91 Girls 0 - North Carolina 0 SC 91 Girls 1 - Georgia 1 Great showing by the 91 Girls in preparation for the Houston ODP National Championships this coming week!
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SC 91 Team No.2 2-0-1
SC 2 vs WVA 2 Sat am
SC 3 vs Al 1 Sat pm
SC 3 vs TN 0 Sun am (40 min game)
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Also, I'm pretty sure that all SC 91 boys team No. 2 (last post), played the No. 1 teams from those states.
Overall, Great showing from SC 91 teams!
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SC1 92 girls- 2 wins 1 loss
beat bama 2-0
lost to NC1 4-0
beat GA1 1-0
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