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I don't think banning high school coaches from coaching some of their players in club is the right answer. The fact that some of these club coaches coach high school teams makes the high school game so much better.


djt,

If you are suggesting that we attempt to level the playing field a bit by restricting when or how often a high school team can train prior to the official start date, you may find some folks in agreement.

As a coach, I'd like to have access to my players as often as possible.

As a parent, I would like my daughters to get a break. If the state mandated NO preseason conditioning or practice of any kind until the first official start date, I would welcome it. My daughters could probably use the rest in December and January.

Hurst....could not agree more about the rest... The fallacy is in the coaches having "conditioning" in the period of time for which the vast majority of their players are already "conditioned" as they are in state cup... they should have two programs conditytioniing for new and maintenance for the club players.

I didn't say not to coach club, just the other gender. That would also "spread the wealth" of the good coaches. The biggest problem with conditioning seems to be that coaches don't (or can't) differentiate between those 2 groups of people. Having some sort of fitness test would aleveate this. If you can pass the test, you go on a maintenance program. If you don't pass, then you go through the "get in shape" program

I don't have issues with preseason conditioning because soccer is such a physically demanding psort that if you just had these kids step in and play the first week of practice with no getting in shape time they would die. My issue stems more with hs coaches who are coaching their "club" team with 8 of their varsity players on it, on January 27th (this year) then are coaching their high school team with the rest of their palyers on January 28th. It just looks wrong, especially if the rules tell coaches like me, that you can't do ANY soccer specific activites with more than 3 of your players till the 28th. My opponenets though because of the "club" rule can essentially practice with half of their team since August. All I am asking for clubs to have a "dead" period in December and January so it makes it a little more balanced and fair to those of us whose kids can't do club. In addition there wouldn't be nay issue of who does what, where, and for whom during this time because all soccer specific activity would cease preventing issues like the whole Gilbert/NW fiasco from arising.

You are building a program and I think that every high school coach understands what you are going through. Nothing seems fair, but you are making positive steps. Keep up the good work coach.

I wonder what other states say about coaching their own players.

And how is asking coaches to coach the opposite gender in any way preventing you from making money??? It doesn't, it would just mean that you can't coach your kids, in your tactical scheme, with your tactics for 12 months of the year. I know for a fact that in at least 1 state the number of players from a HS to 5 per team and the HS coach can't coach any of their own players. They may still coach, just not their players.

2. shouldn't the best coaches be coaching those 8 yr olds so that when they get to HS they already have good technique? the problem is, HS coach moan about how much technique they must teach at HS and then they go and coach the 16 yr olds. if you want them to be technacally sound, you should want to coach those 8 year old (OK maybe the 10 - 12 year olds) so that you will have more quality players when they get to HS.

The Fan I have to say that I disagree with your statement, sorry.

Cod0000,

Uh, no. If I'm going to coach, I'm going to coach whatever gender and whatever age group I want to coach (assuming it's available at my particular club). I'm not going to be regulated by some petty legislature that is too lazy to create a seperate rule book for individual sports because it requires 6 hours of their time or a simple email to a Kevin or Kyle Heise asking for help. I'm glad that you know for a fact about such and such state that does this and that. It doesn't make it or you right by any means. Limiting someone's profession is absolutely...well, lame and to many of us teaching may be the side job to pay the bills but, coaching is the profession. It's what we love to do and, it's what we live for. What you're suggesting would almost kill the high school sport of soccer. If you'd like me to elaborate on that, I could. You're also trying to tell me that I can't coach my kids in my tactical scheme with my tactics for 12 months out of the year. This, ofcourse, is obviously hyperbole because no one coaches 12 months a year, BUT, you're trying to tell me that because I'm a better coach than you that I can't coach my kids anymore because it might enable me to teach them more about the sport of soccer over a period of time, that as of right now is available to you as well? OK

And, no, 10-12 year olds do not necessarily require the best coaches. Technical training is something done over and over in repitition to build muscle memory and confidence in your athleticism, thus building skill. To be honest, from a coaching standpoint, a player could train himself to have very good technique by just using a ball and/or a set of cones. That's why some of the best technical players in the world come from places like Brazil where in the dirt streets they just play for hours and hours and develop their skills on their own from early child hood to the pro's. That's pretty much common sense in my realm to be honest