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1. I think some of the rules are stupid. My point was more "in some states you couldn't even coach any of your kids. in SC you could technically coach them all if they are on different teams." I agree that some of the rules are definately not in favor of soccer. I am not trying to push this other states rules on SC, just wondering how strict some other states are in comparison to SC.
2. I didn't say that E license coaches should be doing college. What I said was that if we want kids to learn to love the game and use technique properly, we should encourage our best coaches to get them at 10, 11, 12. and I am not talking about rec kids ( I suppose we should get coach Berson out there to run the YMCA rec leagues as well. Maybe he could train them all at once with a little "do this, do that" in a couple of lime green Score jerseys?) That is not even close to what I said. But if coach Berson taught a group of 10 - 14 yr olds, I would put them up against anyone else at 18 even if they had a D coach from 15 on. Because they would be so technically sound and have learned to "love" the game early on, that they would be tough to beat.
3. Coldhardtruth, I agree completely. Shutup, I think that we need more creative players, but I think that we would do better to emulate the Italians or Germans. The reason everyone loves the Brazilians is because they are flashy "and1" and score. I think we have more players that fit an Italian/German style. Does that mean we don't attempt to develop flashy players? Absolutely not!
4. We need to develop an American style of soccer. yes, we should emulate concepts from other cultures. But we shouldn't try to copy them.
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Tug Job, When I read your posts I was completely dumbfounded, I don't come on this post to create hostility with other coaches, I do it to grow professional relationships with my colleagues, but by reading your post I was floored by your animosity towards me and my program. I contemplated a million different things I could say that I would hope dispell many of the misunderstandings you may have about what this program is trying to do, but then I realized that that would be an exercise in futility, because if someone doesn't even recognize the abusrdity of their own assertion about rules not being designed for fairness would never comprehend any argument to the contrary no matter how blantantly obvious the examples are to support the my argument so I won't even try. However, being a teacher and a coach it is my first duty to instruct and correct a few other misconceptions you have. 1) We at Eau Claire are not "threatened" by anyone/anything no reason to be, we have no expectations, if we lose we lose that's what's expected of us, but if we come out and beat YOUR team that would speak volumes about your abilities as a coach because being the favorite you should ALWAYS win right? After all the "rules" are in your favor. So if anyone should feel threatened it is your side, because you have EVERYTHING to lose when playing us. In addition when everything is said and done these kids here will turn alot of CW in this state about soccer on its head (Note: I won't but these kids will) 2)Good Coaches are successful no matter WHERE they coach that is what defines a coach as good. The reason Irmo is a good soccer school is beacuse coach Savitz made it that way. The reason RNE is not currently a good soccer school despite having all the necessary resouces is because no one has put the effort in to make it good (I believe though that John, if he sticks around, will change that). I hope you now are a little more enlightened, have a good day 
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Danny, Jack made a post about needing your email. Check the top forum.
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Tug Job,
When I read your posts I was completely dumbfounded, I don't come on this post to create hostility with other coaches, I do it to grow professional relationships with my colleagues, but by reading your post I was floored by your animosity towards me and my program. I contemplated a million different things I could say that I would hope dispell many of the misunderstandings you may have about what this program is trying to do, but then I realized that that would be an exercise in futility, because if someone doesn't even recognize the abusrdity of their own assertion about rules not being designed for fairness would never comprehend any argument to the contrary no matter how blantantly obvious the examples are to support the my argument so I won't even try. However, being a teacher and a coach it is my first duty to instruct and correct a few other misconceptions you have.
1) We at Eau Claire are not "threatened" by anyone/anything no reason to be, we have no expectations, if we lose we lose that's what's expected of us, but if we come out and beat YOUR team that would speak volumes about your abilities as a coach because being the favorite you should ALWAYS win right? After all the "rules" are in your favor. So if anyone should feel threatened it is your side, because you have EVERYTHING to lose when playing us. In addition when everything is said and done these kids here will turn alot of CW in this state about soccer on its head (Note: I won't but these kids will)
2)Good Coaches are successful no matter WHERE they coach that is what defines a coach as good. The reason Irmo is a good soccer school is beacuse coach Savitz made it that way. The reason RNE is not currently a good soccer school despite having all the necessary resouces is because no one has put the effort in to make it good (I believe though that John, if he sticks around, will change that).
I hope you now are a little more enlightened, have a good day
1) First of all I could care less about the rousing speech about beating someone and expectations of losing and this and that. I love to see programs like that succeed and, I think everyone who's been to the 1A state championships the last 2 years has been supporting Lincoln out of McClellanville. However, your points about placing even more limitations on coaches so that you can have what you perceive is a fair shot (even though I don't think it really is, see my points about off-season conditioning if you will) are questionable. I suppose you'd like to ban ODP players from playing HS soccer because your players can't afford to tryout? I suppose we should also disassemble AAU basketball and Fall-Ball baseball as well so that those who do not have the means to participate cannot? I suppose we should just drop all means of player development and relinquish ourselves back to the stone-age so that all teams will be "equal"? This would only seem fair right? In actuality, you are proposing more complications to an already problematic situation. It's HS athletics, you win with what you have. If Irmo has been dealt Aces and I have a pair of twos it's tough to pull that out. This doesn't just apply to soccer. It applies to all sports. You shouldn't be asking for more limitations, instead you should be asking for less limitations so that you can address and prepare your players as early as possible. If you are serious about coaching and doing a great job and building a program it would seem to me that advocating less time with your players would be a detraction not a benefit.
Also, if you'd like to bring your topics up you could attend the winter clinic meetings in Columbia where there is an open forum to address issues with the SCHSL regarding this. You could potentially bring up your problems there and see what all the other coaches from SC think about them. I'm not sure if you attended it or not but, there is also a great couple of sessions conducted by college coaches, usually from CofC, that could potentially be useful to you and your program. There is also one in the summer if you're interested which I believe takes place in Charleston.
2) Yes, good coaches are successful no matter where they are but success is measurable in different terms. For instance what you might consider to be a successful season for your program might be such and such and what some other soccer-johnny considers successful for his program might be something else. Irmo won all those titles with a team full of 25 "soccer" players, the best in the state. At that time it would be like taking the best players from DF, Chapin, and Irmo and making one team for the Yellow Jackets. It's the way it was. Now, demographics have changed as they always do and balances have shifted a bit. Same with Ridge View. In 01 they were a complete BEAST of a team. That roster was LOADED. Now? Some programs around the state see talent in waves. Year after year you have your Wando's, Greenvilles, Eastsides, Riversides, Chapins, Spring Valleys, NW, Bishop Englands that are just LOADED. Then you have programs who are cyclical who have good teams every 4 years or so when a group of kids who play together rise to an occasion during their junior/senior year at places like BC, DF, South Aiken, Socastee, Myrtle Beach, TL Hanna, Daniel, etc. Then there are programs who, because of where they are, have a tough time getting soccer specific athletes. That's sad, but it's SC Soccer to a "T". Trying to limit that coach-player relationship will only hinder those last two groups success because the best coaching stories rise from those schools who have magical seasons. Hopefully, Eau Claire can be one of those.
Anyways, I've rambled enough. Hope you have a good season coach. No hard feelings, have a good day 
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lil' tug boat,
I really don't know much about what you are trying to say..........so I will point out only one comment that jumped out at me that you are definitively not accurate in making............a group of BC players do not rise to the occasion once every 4 years. BC always does the max with what they have each year! Without a doubt they are always the hardest working team in the state each year. They very rarely have a Hans, a Troy or an Andrew.......and most of their players do not play on high caliber club teams......but each game of each year they work their tails off (maybe they don't have a choice), and they compete very favorably with one of the toughest schedules each year in the state. I don't know if they have a signature theme song before each game, but I suggest 'Play for Blood' by Megadeth.
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Tugger,
How do we kill the PK's that decide regular season games? How do we get the SCHSL to allow draws to stand?
Do we start with the winter clinic meetings in Columbia, and then get all of our AD's to promote the cause at their summer meetings in Charleston?
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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Good point Striker. Although I'm just going simply on results. BC 01-02 went to the state finals. Then they finish lower-state runner up in 06. Obviously, BC puts out quality product every year and they do more with what they are "given" than perhaps any other team in the state when researching their demographics. BC is probably the exception to every stereotype in the state. There are a lot of good "teams" year in and year out in SC but there are very few "programs" like BC. Maybe that's because there's only one coach Heise who puts more work into SC Soccer and his team than any other coach in the state. Point is that there are schools who are consistently loaded with 20 soccer players every year and then there are others who make the best of what they have. That's HS soccer.
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Perhaps that change happens with the election of a new Liason when OLE ROGER steps down at the end of this year. Hopefully we get someone who has a little sense about athletics/multiple sports and is not just in-tune with one sport to make a difference. You also have to understand that the SCHSL is full of lazy people who want to do as little as possible for sports they don't care about. Unfortunately, for Jerome Singleton, soccer is a sport he doesn't care about. They care more about how many ejections soccer has than whether or not ties should stand. You have to understand Hurst, this state, and a large percentage of the people who live in it, are stupid and narrow minded. If it's not in there little "realm" they don't pay attention, don't want to pay attention, and don't see any merit in you paying attention. The easy thing for them to do would be let a Kevin Heise coordinate with a selected panel of SC coaches to design a rule-book for soccer and all they would have to do would be implement it...however they choose the lazy-easier solution of lump everything together under one book while they basically collect their salaries, do very little, and ruin the seasons of teams who misinterpret their horribly written rules.
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[Then there are programs who, because of where they are, have a tough time getting soccer specific athletes. That's sad, but it's SC Soccer to a "T". Trying to limit that coach-player relationship will only hinder those last two groups]
This is the exact point I am making, the rules as they are written now completely limits the amount of time that those of us without "soccer specific" athletes have, while place almost no limits on those who do have soccer specific athletes. Now to abolish those limits for all sports would be ridculous because it would wipe-out HS soccer in this state for reasons I mentioned earlier. Since rules are designed for equality and this is ONLY HS soccer not the EPL, maybe if they were adjusted slightly it would make things a little more equal than they currently are. If club soccer had a 2 month dead period of Dec./Jan. It would make things slightly more equal and remove the probability of what happened in NW and Gilbert from happening because there would be no ambiguity about what can happen and what can't happen, what's leagal, illeagal, and quasi- we need an excutive committe vote to figure out case by case- leagal. That's all I am saying, if by not doing soccer specific activiteis for those 2 months without your kids is going to make or break your season, imagine how it is to go 8 months without your kids and now you know what were up against.
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You have to understand Hurst, this state, and a large percentage of the people who live in it, are stupid and narrow minded.
The number increases with each post you make that is actually read by some poor soul.
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I think we know which day Tug skipped out on his Rhetoric lecture.
"Alienating Your Audience" ..perhaps?
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