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Why have any dead time? If kids want to play organized soccer 12 months a year who cares? Is this a bad thing?

I know its against the rules....but what is the value of the rule?

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To the best of my knowledge... the rule was placed in order to prevent HS from having year round teams... This was not because of football but because of basketball (it is what I understand). Apparently a few years back a school had essentially a year round team and if you did not play for the club team you had no hope of making the varsity team in the school. Thus the 75% rule.

however the rules as written clearly have not progressed with the times and need to be updated...

For example many schools in the midlands have started lacrosse teams, yet SCHSL does not cover the sport, therefore they can do what they want.

So if the SCHSL "works" for the member schools, then the schools need to be the ones forcing the issue. Unfortunately this means ADs are the ones who have to do the work and since they are football people, well nothing else is important.

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Interesting question, I have no idea how it affects all sports, but I do know most extraneous baseball/softball is in the summer with some fall ball but there is a definite "dead period" before the start of the season so you never run into these issues of unknowingly ahve a il/quasi/legal practices happening in these sports. As for track, in the fall there is cross country so their sport is always in season (no one does field out of season for obvious reasons).

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Agreed Daddy,

It's not a bad thing for the sport of soccer but, in terms of HS athletics being run "across the board" it'd be tough to have this de-regulation of rules co-exist amongst other sports. There are a lot of other sports that'd have to agree on something like that. I'm sure most coaches hate the though of having any "dead-time" what so ever.

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You're right. Football is king in this state. It's king in America and until recently...soccer has been hard pressed to find it's little niche in the sport spectrum. I'm of the opinion that if we as a state, a sport, and a nation want to create a quality soccer product (if that's our top goal as a soccer-playing country) why are we trying to put limits on how much coaching our kids receive? It's like, somewhere along the lines someone has forgotten that coaches are here to teach players and then to win games, not the other-way around. Instead, some people are upset that some schools have players who can play the sport year round and some cannot through various, understandable, reasons and, they want how much time kids can be coached to be limited to give their school a fair shot at winning. That just doesn't seem to be in the best interest of ALL athletes around the state.
It's tough to explain. Maybe that helps clear my rambles up a bit. Then again, it probably doesn't help at all.


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To the best of my knowledge... the rule was placed in order to prevent HS from having year round teams... This was not because of football but because of basketball (it is what I understand). Apparently a few years back a school had essentially a year round team and if you did not play for the club team you had no hope of making the varsity team in the school. Thus the 75% rule.

however the rules as written clearly have not progressed with the times and need to be updated...

For example many schools in the midlands have started lacrosse teams, yet SCHSL does not cover the sport, therefore they can do what they want.

So if the SCHSL "works" for the member schools, then the schools need to be the ones forcing the issue. Unfortunately this means ADs are the ones who have to do the work and since they are football people, well nothing else is important.





What is wrong with year round teams?

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Sounds like USSF Academy to me....

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Danny,

With respect to the (no one does field out of season for obvious reasons), I know 20 something years ago there were some that did field event training year round. Indoor shot puts and pole vaulters doing run ups with the ropes. All in the gym. Needless to say, the bball coach was very concerned about his floor since the center circle closely matched the shot put circle. Just like the December/January club players going to college showcases, these were people that were working towards college scholarships, not your every day throwers and vaulters. Year round training has been around for a long time.

So a dead time for club soccer is not the answer in my opinion. Knowing the rules and abiding by the rules is the answer.

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Well I think that having year round teams would wipe out HS soccer in this state. Most high schools (especially older ones)only have one utility field large enough for football/soccer. If they allowed year round sports every football coach I know would want to have practice to stay on pace with every other football coach, this means the AD would have to settle field usage issues and since most ADs are either football coaches or exfootball coaches and football supposedly brings in the moolah for the athletic department, its pretty obvious who would get to use the field and who would be left out in the cold.

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The Academy in Cal. has created similar uproar and conflicts with HS soccer.

From the Los Angeles Times Jan. 25, 2008
ERIC SONDHEIMER
Parents, coaches weigh in on tough soccer choices
Club teams might not be for everyone, but many in the sport have learned to live with the situation. Chance Myers played four years of high school soccer at Thousand Oaks and was the No. 1 player selected recently in the Major League Soccer draft.

Chance Myers, the UCLA player who was recently the No. 1 overall pick in the MLS SuperDraft, played four years for the varsity at Thousand Oaks High School, and bemoans the fact that the U.S. Soccer Federation's academy development program will rob many California soccer players of the opportunity to compete for their school.

January 25, 2008

The U.S. Soccer Federation needs to understand that its first-year academy development program, designed to groom promising young talent for international competition, is dividing people in the Southland who love the sport.

Each of the six club programs based in Southern California that was chosen to participate in the eight-month academy season has barred its players from simultaneously playing high school soccer, forcing dozens of elite players to abandon their high school coaches, teammates and friends.

Chance Myers, who played four years of high school soccer at Thousand Oaks and was the No. 1 player taken last Friday in the Major League Soccer draft, observed, "I wasn't put in that situation, but I'm positive all the kids who have to make that choice aren't happy."

A story last week detailing the dilemma faced by players such as Chris Cummings of Encino Crespi produced strong reactions via e-mails. Cummings made the decision not to play for the Celts in his senior year under pressure from his club team.

"The real problem is the vast majority of kids that are getting lured into these academy programs that don't have anywhere near the talent or opportunity Cummings does," wrote Dave Verso, the father of two sons playing soccer. "They are getting fed dreams of being professionals and getting seen so they will get Division I scholarships that in reality are very scarce.

"It was originally sold as free but is actually very expensive due to extensive travel requirements. Rather than getting free training in a first-class professional environment like youth players in Europe, they instead are just missing out on what, for most, is a great experience to play with their friends and display their talent in front of people from their community."

A father of an Orange County player lamented that his son, a sophomore, won't be following in the path of his older brother because he'll have to choose to play for his club team next season.

"This will be his last year of high school soccer," he wrote. "It is sad that unlike his brother, who is now on a Division I men's soccer team, he will not get the chance to earn four varsity letters."

U.S. Soccer insists that it encourages players to play high school soccer as well, but having the academy program in the middle of the winter soccer season in Southern California has left players with few options. Club soccer is considered a higher caliber of training and offers more exposure to college scouts than high school.

Myers, who spent the last two years at UCLA, said if he had to make a similar choice, "I'd probably have to go to club."

Susan Hansen, the mother of Stanford-bound tennis standout Logan Hansen of Brentwood, said her daughter encountered many of the same issues soccer players and their parents are having to deal with.

"If you're talented and winning big at the junior levels, it's tempting and exciting to aspire to a career as a professional athlete," she wrote. "Kids who reach this level, and their parents, get seduced by the possibilities.

"When Logan was 13 to 15 years old, she received countless offers from all the top tennis academies offering full scholarships to train with them full time and enroll in online high schools. However, Logan has never regretted her decision to remain at home, attend a regular high school and play all four years of high school tennis.

"It would seem that all elite-level junior athletes and their parents, regardless of the sport, would want to examine the odds of making a living as a professional athlete before making major, life-changing decisions about their education. At that point, weigh the costs of pursuing that dream -- financial, emotional and developmental -- and determine if it really makes sense to bypass high school athletic participation."

Johnny Marmelstein, girls' soccer coach at San Juan Capistrano St. Margaret's, said, "I have always coexisted peacefully with club soccer. However, club soccer has become big business. The directors and their coaches used to coach three to four months out of the year, then had to work like the rest of us. But now, they are selfishly making these kids and their families their personal year-round bankrolls. But at what cost?"

Another parent sees a positive in top players leaving high school soccer.

"The good side of the increasing club/high school separation is that it increases the number of kids who get to participate on high school teams," he wrote.

"Sure, the coaches are bummed to lose their best players. But for every kid that turns to club, there's another kid that gets a lot more playing time."

Said Mike Shimizu, boys' soccer coach at West Torrance: "If [U.S. Soccer] truly wanted to encourage these gifted players to experience all the aspects of playing a high school sport, they would just make it a rule that the clubs had to release them for their high school seasons no matter if they were in the fall or winter.

"I lost three players from my high school program, and I do not begrudge them for their decision. While we are a different team, we continue to do well and play what I hope people consider a good and entertaining style of soccer.

"In the end, I will coach those kids who want to represent their school and cheer for those players from my community who have chosen to do the academies instead of high school soccer. Both sets of kids are working toward positive experiences."

eric.sondheimer@latimes.com

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The details in the item striker placed above state a very interesting question. Why not have soccer play in every state at the same time of the year? Geography does create problems but.... if the northern schools can play in the fallwhy couldn't the southern schools??? although discussed before ad nauseum.... it would be best for the southern soccer player to play club ball in the spring for two reasons
1- better timing with respect to regionals and nationals... many who have gone to regionals know how difficult it is to train during HS season
2- college coaches would be mora available in the Spring than the Fall and would be able to do more scouting...

Just my opinion.

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