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Can anyone please direct me to where the SCHSL requires Uniforms to have Numbers on Front and Back of Jerseys???
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Page 24 article 1.j.1 of the National Federation of State High School Association Rule Book which is the one used by SCHSL.
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Is this available for the Public to read are is it a big Seceret???????????????
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numbers on front AND back????
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Yes Not avialable on the SCHSL WEBSITE and not in the SCHSL rule book but supposedly in the Ref rule book
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I believe the requirement is that the number be visible from the front and the back, I think numbers on shorts in the front are allowed, instead of the jersey.
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I questioned a rule at meeting this winter and my response was "You guys use the NFSHSA as your rules makers so it's really up to them. We just enforce them". I couldn't be upset with the SCHSL as they were just going by the approved book.
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Numbers do not have to be on the front of the jersey itself. Shorts do count. But of course they must be on the back of the jersey. They just have to be visible to the referee from both sides, whether on the shorts or jersey
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This is the exact rule:
All jerseys, except those worn by goalkeepers, shall be numbered on the back with a different arabic number at least 6 inches in height and on the front (jersey or shorts) with the same number which shall be at least 4 inches in height. Numbers shall be of contrasting color to the jersey (or shorts) and clearly visable.
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This Rule needs to be on the SCHSL website under the Soccer Rules. Not burried in the Ref's Handbook. Coaches, Parents , and Players show have all rules visible.
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Coaches should have the very same rule book. They are required to be at the same preseason meeting with Roger Hazel that all officials are. If they don't then they are not doing their job.
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They only have it IF the AD at the school orders it from the HSL! Oh and then give it to them! YOU GET REAL!
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If I'm coaching a sport, the first thing I'm going to do is know the rules.
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Coaches should have the very same rule book. They are required to be at the same preseason meeting with Roger Hazel that all officials are. If they don't then they are not doing their job.
This is your quote, it say's have the same rule book NOT know rules. Please stay REAL and on point.
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Having the rule book that governs your sport should be the first step in knowing the rules....don't ya think?
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I agree, but you can not just go out and buy it.....read above post! So again if the AD at you school does not order one, how do you get it? you don't. Get the point? 
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Sure you can "just go out and buy it". Sometimes it's hard to read what a person is trying to say, but it seems you are just making some bad excuses. If you really wanted it, you could have gotten it. But anyway, here's some help... buy here....
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Roger Hazel has the books at the preseason meeting. Break down and spend five bucks on one.
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When did I say I did not have one? I just tried to help you understand that not every coach gets one. Again stick to the point.
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Numbers shall be of contrasting color to the jersey (or shorts) and clearly visable.
Interesting, we played Woodmont last night and their jerseys are a royal blue with royal blue numbers on both sides which can only be read from about 10 feet away if the light strikes it right. The girls team had white numbers on their jerseys, so it seems a deliberate decision. I found it made it more difficult on me, the coach, to call attention to my defenders in assigning marks but I also think it makes it more difficult on the referees to remember who has committed previous fouls as now they are operating primarily off of facial recognition. I'm not saying that it had any effect on the outcome of the game, I am simply inquiring as to whether anyone else has experienced this problem? Comments by the officials on this board?
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I remember running into a team with navy jerseys and black numbers...can't remember now who it was. Made it next to impossible to call out marks on the field. I really can't imagine any reason to choose those color combinations except for camouflage.
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When did I say I did not have one? I just tried to help you understand that not every coach gets one. Again stick to the point.
I am sticking to the point. The point is any coach in any sport should take it upon themselves to have the rule book that governs their sport. If they can't get it from their AD, then get it themselves. Any competent coach would do that. I'm through with this!
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Will you pay for it?
Are you kidding? How much does a rule book cost?
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Kidding??? NO I guess the point of all this is should a coach have to pay for IT? Is it not the AD's job to provide the head coach with a rule book as well as whatever else is needed? Does the Head Football coach have to pay for one? How about the Basketball coach etc??? Do you understand now? IT is not the small amount of money, it is the fact that a lot of AD's do not treat soccer like the other sports. I wonder if Real guy has run into this yet in all his years of coaching? HOw about you GSDAD?
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Good Lord!!! Stop being a *****! $6.50!!!!!! Just ask the AD for one. If you don't get one, suck it up and buy one. Your argumewnt is idiotic, full of bad excuses and even worse logic. Oh, for the love of GOD, Heise, please delete this stupid thread before some innocent person gets the wrath!
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Until this year, our jersey's did not have numbers on both sides and our shorts had nothing! Glad to know the ref's did not know this rule or at least were generous! What would you have made us do, sharpie our jersey's?
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Until this year, our jersey's did not have numbers on both sides and our shorts had nothing! Glad to know the ref's did not know this rule or at least were generous! What would you have made us do, sharpie our jersey's?
Officials do not address this problem. They report it to the SCHSL and they deal with it.
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Until this year, our jersey's did not have numbers on both sides and our shorts had nothing! Glad to know the ref's did not know this rule or at least were generous! What would you have made us do, sharpie our jersey's?
Officials do not address this problem. They report it to the SCHSL and they deal with it.
So who did not do their job? Me, for not knowing the rule, The referee's for not reporting it, or the SCHSL for not dealing with it? Our AD knew our Jersey's did not have front numbers, every referee between Hilton Head and Columbia saw our Jersey's and so did opposing teams and any high school league people at our games! I know Coach J was kind of poking fun at this, but who did not do their job?
It is really not as clear as one would make it out to be. To be honest, I do not sweat the small stuff. I want to win games, have good grades and represent the school well. This stuff does not factor in!
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I agree with you Crabb..........havent had numbers on both sides since the program was formed in '01 and when they ordered new jerseys this year, that wasnt even brought up. I brought it up, and "they" looked at me like i was the dumbest person to ever walk on earth..........so who is to blame, the coaches, AD's, or the refs who for number of years never said anything about that, but nearly cancelled a game bcuz the goal box was 1/2 yard off??
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18 yards is exactly that...18 yards. Not 17 1/2 not 16, 19, 20....18. I'd cancel it too. If you want your program to be taken seriously you might want to take a little more pride in the things you can control.
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as for my part i've done all in my power to get our program some respect as far as soccer, and many who know me know from when i played to now coaching i do, but as for that incident, they had some football coach do it and their excuse to making it shorter was that they ran out of paint. Thats just the lack of respect form within that many programs in the state suffer unnecessarily. Fortunately now they're starting to show more respect
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The AD and the Coach should know the rule concerning the numbers. The ref's should have reported the situation to the league office. The SCHSL can only address what they are aware of.
As far as canceling a match due to improper field alignment, thats the same situation as with the numbers. The official's report the issue to the high school league and they deal with the school to correct the problem.
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Until this year, our jersey's did not have numbers on both sides and our shorts had nothing! Glad to know the ref's did not know this rule or at least were generous! What would you have made us do, sharpie our jersey's?
Officials do not address this problem. They report it to the SCHSL and they deal with it.
Actually...good officials will address this problem with the coach.
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Until this year, our jersey's did not have numbers on both sides and our shorts had nothing! Glad to know the ref's did not know this rule or at least were generous! What would you have made us do, sharpie our jersey's?
Officials do not address this problem. They report it to the SCHSL and they deal with it.
Actually...good officials will address this problem with the coach.
True but more times than not the same officials will not be back at that school for awhile if at all, and the coach may elect to not address the problem. If the high school league gets involved, the AD will be notified and the problem will get resolved.
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Question regarding throw-ins? Is a defensive player allowed to stand in front of the throw-in as long as the defensive player does not move or jump? A yellow card was received in a game last night for not giving the offensive player 3 yards in which to throw. Is that correct? I would have expected the ref to warn the player first rather than issuing a card for such and offense.
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Yes it is a yellow card offense, but in the spirit of the game I think if this was a first offense then a warning would have been justified.
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Do you have a little more of an explanation? Is 3 yards actually spoken too in the rule? Can you lead me to where I can find this rule so that I understand it fully. Thanks!
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I looked up the rule and did not see anything about 3 yards. I guess it is the judgement of the official if he was interfering with the throw-in. Here is the rule:
Rule 15-1-3
An opponent shall neither interfere with nor in any way impede the actions of the thrower while the throw-in is being taken.
Penalty: An official shall administer a caution for unsporting conduct.
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