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The point on the 91 or 92 teams in SC striking fear with CASL or Charlotte Soccer Club 91 or 92s is valid. But according to the region staff the CSC teams that are both nationally ranked are doing it with mirrors. The only player held over from those teams to my knowledge was 1 girl who wasn't a starter. So the NC teams also are struggiling to get attention as well.
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what does club soccer and how a club team fares have anything to do with the way the region staff determines who they choose to be held over.you should be held over or given a good look just because you play on a good team?
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Yet 91-94 boys have something like 14 kids that made region pool versus 1 for the girls?
The largest part of the pool players comes from the 91 and 92 age groups.
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The 92 girls don't surprise me THAT much. I don't think there's a 91 or 92 club team in SC that strikes fear in the hearts of CASL Elite or Charlotte Soccer Club or whoever the beasts of GA are.
BigDaddy might be onto something here. If you look at the boys pool players, you will see the bulk of the group are, DSC 90, CESA 90, CESA 91, and CUFC 91 players. These teams have been "regionally" known and respected for a few years. This would lead one to believe the success of the boys ODP selection has been influenced to some extent based on the club play.
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Yet 91-94 boys have something like 14 kids that made region pool versus 1 for the girls?
The largest part of the pool players comes from the 91 and 92 age groups.
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The 92 girls don't surprise me THAT much. I don't think there's a 91 or 92 club team in SC that strikes fear in the hearts of CASL Elite or Charlotte Soccer Club or whoever the beasts of GA are.
BigDaddy might be onto something here. If you look at the boys pool players, you will see the bulk of the group are, DSC 90, CESA 90, CESA 91, and CUFC 91 players. These teams have been "regionally" known and respected for a few years. This would lead one to believe the success of the boys ODP selection has been influenced to some extent based on the club play.
firsttouch says that is not happening on the girls side and that it should.if that is the case then the states should not have tryouts and teams.you just take those club teams that think their players should be there and pick from them.
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Fewer players than you think go out for ODP..Three players from the BFA team where on the state team..That's less than five percent of the team...And yes they where the only three to go out!!
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what does club soccer and how a club team fares have anything to do with the way the region staff determines who they choose to be held over.you should be held over or given a good look just because you play on a good team?
The club team impacts who is chosen only to the extent that it plays a significant role in the development or lack of development of a player. Remember ODP sessions are typically held no more than 2 to 4 times per month. Players must take what coaches teach them and work on those skills on their own. There is no influence on the holdover outcome from the club level. It all come down to who prepares and who shows up during training and region camp, plus a dash of good luck.
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what does club soccer and how a club team fares have anything to do with the way the region staff determines who they choose to be held over.you should be held over or given a good look just because you play on a good team?
The club team impacts who is chosen only to the extent that it plays a significant role in the development or lack of development of a player. Remember ODP sessions are typically held no more than 2 to 4 times per month. Players must take what coaches teach them and work on those skills on there own. There is no influence on the holdover outcome from the club level. It all come down to who prepares and who shows up during training and region camp, plus a dash of good luck.
and i agree that is the way it should be.read one of the last few post of firstouch.they seem to think that club accomplishments should have some bearing on odp.
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Look at it another way. The Region III staff is made of college coaches from throughout the region. These same college coaches attend tournaments, regionals, etc., on scouting trips. They see players from their state in this setting. They then see those players in the ODP setting on the state teams. I don't see how you can say it has no impact.
Now whether it should or not, that's a different question.
The fact that it is not happening on the girls side could be that the girls teams are not having the same success as the boys in being regionally known.
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Yet 91-94 boys have something like 14 kids that made region pool versus 1 for the girls?
The largest part of the pool players comes from the 91 and 92 age groups.
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The 92 girls don't surprise me THAT much. I don't think there's a 91 or 92 club team in SC that strikes fear in the hearts of CASL Elite or Charlotte Soccer Club or whoever the beasts of GA are.
BigDaddy might be onto something here. If you look at the boys pool players, you will see the bulk of the group are, DSC 90, CESA 90, CESA 91, and CUFC 91 players. These teams have been "regionally" known and respected for a few years. This would lead one to believe the success of the boys ODP selection has been influenced to some extent based on the club play.
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Again, the only impact Club Soccer has is in how a player develops in preparation for ODP. If a region coach happens to see a player during club regionals and then gets a look at him or her again during ODP, that's great for that player. By the time you get to the 14, 15 & 16 age group the best players across the state tend to end up migrating to or simply creating one or two teams to be as competitive as they can be in league play. Our 92 boys had 9 players participate from the CESA 92 team, four of whom were held over. That's a tribute to their desire to create a very good state team. There were 12 pool players and a total of 7 holdovers comprised of players from 6 different clubs.
The low turn out from Bridge is likely due to the fact that some players may have gone on the trip to Switzerland and others may feel ODP is not the route to go since Bridge joined the USSF Academy program last year, which doesn't allow players from U16 up to participate in ODP.
I do agree you can make to case that club team success translates to state team success if and only if all of the top players from the club teams work to earn a place on the state team. When that happens, I think you have gathered the elements required to create a exceptional state team that'll be able to compete with the best of them.
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