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coach in this case i think you have the player pool because you win.on the premier level anyway.
players that want to play in college and parents that want some help,need to be playing in front of the college coaches.to do that you need to be playing on a team and club that does that for you.if a club or team does not win then i think the player pool is not there.
sorry if i can not wait for your reply.i have to work for a change.
P.S. this is just for the premier level.i know it may be different within a club on the classic level.
I'd have to agree with everything you said there, but with one question: are college coaches so narrow in their focus that they only pay attention to the single most championship-winning club teams in the state? If a club is successful enough to be the second-winningest in the state, with multiple finalist positions at State Cup, are those players going to be passed over, or will the recruiters realize that not all of the best players are always on the winning team? Serious questions...it seems that the argument continually boils down to State Cup championships, with anything less than #1 being labeled as "inferior" and "inadequate."
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Chass, but, if the answer is no, then it matters greatly what the "other" guy is doing.
Very true and fair, Bear. I just wonder why it is that there are seldom any particulars of discrepancy mentioned (such as coaching style and quality, general philosophy of management, happiness or unhappiness of players, percentage of players who seek and gain college spots, degree of development of players over time) other than number of state titles won. That doesn't necessarily denote the quality of the system, although it MAY be a product. It could also be that the same pool of players under a different club's management and coaching would do as well. It's hard to say. If people aren't happy, though, it should be because they're not achieving their goals--not just because another club happens to win that final match at the end of the season.
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I do not think that college coaches are narrow minded but I believe that if you are playing region ball and you are going to high end tournaments that winning clubs provide then your chances of being noticed are greater..More exposure..The more you are seen..the better chances of getting offers..There is alot of extras that go along with a championship club..College combines and CAP programs..The one thing I appreciate about what CESA does is their girls program is as strong..if not stronger than the boys program..You will not find this happening at most clubs..Most are boy oriented..
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Coach Chass,
I agree with cht. It's hard for an SC team to get into CASL, Disney and Orange classic and often it is only the state champ from South Carolina that gets the invite.
SoccerPop,
I believe U-16 is the crucial year to get on to a team that plays R3PL and gets invited to the tournaments I mention above. The player needs to get established on the team at U-16. The college coaches are swarming all over the U-17's at showcase tournaments.....that's the critical year. Not to say you won't get a good look at U-18 but I know for a fact that the college coaches are concentrating on U-17's at many of these showcase tournaments.
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Hurst, CHT, if that's true, then that's a lot of pressure on both the clubs and the young people involved; I fall back to my original statement about being glad I'm in a spot where it's about development and positive experience, where my girls could feel proud of being state finalists rather than left out because the PK shootout in the final match went the wrong way. Wish we had more opportunities for ALL the deserving young people to get the attention they have worked for; then maybe it would be more about achievement and sportsmanship and less about mud-and-dirt slinging over that one coveted spot that gets the job done.
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Hmm...a thought just occurred...
If winning it all at U15-U18 levels is what it takes to get noticed and advance to high-level college teams, and that's what it takes to move on to professional levels...how does that all tie into the conversation on another thread about the difference between tactics that produce wins at those levels (U15-U18) vs. training that produces the style of play needed at the professional levels? If being prepared for the big leagues is more about the training than the early wins...but it takes the early wins to get the opportunities...seems like that's more of an incentive for teams to go for the most direct way to get the ball in the net if they have a few strong players to capitalize on, rather than to develop a sophisticated style of play that will pay off later on--but that the players won't get an opportunity to use if they don't get the big wins now. Seems like a bit of a Catch-22 from a simple man's angle.
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Coach,
After doing this for the last three years I do not believe my child feels any pressure to perform.I will say that struggling thru region ball is sometimes tough on her but I do believe with more looses than wins that playing at that level has just made her stronger and smarter as a player..If she had to choose between playing at a lesser level and having fun or playing at the top level and struggling to achieve..I think she would take the latter..She has always chosen her path and is realistic to what her chances are at playing college ball.This adventure started out as a simple game and has turned into quite the competitive quest but not for one minute did she ever say that she was not having fun..
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coach in this case i think you have the player pool because you win.on the premier level anyway.
players that want to play in college and parents that want some help,need to be playing in front of the college coaches.to do that you need to be playing on a team and club that does that for you.if a club or team does not win then i think the player pool is not there.
sorry if i can not wait for your reply.i have to work for a change.
P.S. this is just for the premier level.i know it may be different within a club on the classic level.
I'd have to agree with everything you said there, but with one question: are college coaches so narrow in their focus that they only pay attention to the single most championship-winning club teams in the state? If a club is successful enough to be the second-winningest in the state, with multiple finalist positions at State Cup, are those players going to be passed over, or will the recruiters realize that not all of the best players are always on the winning team? Serious questions...it seems that the argument continually boils down to State Cup championships, with anything less than #1 being labeled as "inferior" and "inadequate."
just home from work so sorry for the late post.it will be short.im tired.
i really didnt mean winning the state cup in my post but i just meant winning. i think any kid can get some exposure to college coaches no matter what team or level they play on if they do some leg work themselves.i just think that playing at a higher level and getting into these bigger tournys kids get the exsposure to coaches outside sc.odp is another way.
i do think that college coaches are more likely to come watch a region team play rather than a classic team.
if you are a college coach and you have your choice between 2 games to watch.west va playing louisiana or north texas playing south texas.which game do you watch?
cufc u-17 girls messed up this year.i thought they were a lock to repeat.even though they did not win state cup and finished 3rd,most if not all of those girls will play in college if they choose to.
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by the way,
state cup needs to be moved so all sc u-15,16 snd 17 teams that can get in can go to casl.well worth it.
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How many girls choose not to play college soccer that are given the oportunity? BTW What colleges would these CUFC girls be playing for if they chose to play?
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