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I believe the call is "dangerous play" and it's an indirect kick. A direct kick foul inside the box would be a PK.
It was awarded as a direct kick regardless of the rules in the book. The BR kids were forced to stand on the goal line. Unbelievable call. The cleat marks are still on the young ladies cheek.
We have instructed our players to not play the ball with their teeth in the future while laying on the ground.
For a free kick spotted less than 10 yards from the goal line (always indirect) the defenders are allowed to stand on the goal line even though it is less than the required 10 yards.
Did the "direct kick" enter the goal without being touched a second time? What made you think a "direct kick" was awarded?
Just for clarification, a goal can be scored directly from a direct kick without anyone touching it after the initial kicker. An indirect kick must be touched a second time before it goes in the goal for the goal to count. If an indirect kick goes directly in the goal without being touched a second time, a goal kick is awarded to the defending team. If the ball deflects off of an attacker or defender, it has been touched a second time and, therefore, a goal would be awarded if it enteres the goal.
Also, for clarification, an indirect kick is signaled by the referee by raising her/his hand and arm straight up in a vertical manner, like a school child raising their hand to be recognized.
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Since I was a referee before I coached, I have always trained my players to line up on the goal line as soon as possible if a free kick against us is spotted within the penalty area. They need to get there fast because there is no rule against an attacker taking a quick touch and her teammate shooting it in the goal. I also train them to rush the ball as soon as it is touched the first time.
On the other hand, I train my attackers to put the ball down quickly, one touch it and another shoot as quickly as possible if a free kick for us is spotted in the opposing team's penalty area. You do not have to wait for the defense to get set. If the referee wants you to wait, he will stop you.
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That makes no sense at all...any foul that would result in a direct kick inside the penalty box is a PK. Kicking from inside the penalty box as you described should only done on a foul resulting in an INdirect kick.
I know the rules and agree with you. The BR kids were in shock due to the "playing the ball with your face while on the ground." The CC "shooter" was told it was a direct kick and she could score. Then the BR team was allowed to quickly line up.
You surely aren't going to tell me, that even though the rules are in writing, and after 36 years of soccer, fairly understandable, that none of you have ever seen a strange, wierd, and even incorrect call or procedure after a card or ruling? Is it possible that a human in charge of things could just do something incorrect? If you are a coach, your answer is abviously that you have seen it a million times. If you are a ref, your answer is that this could never happen.
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I had a simliar call made against my team years ago...I think it was at a Bamberg field. Before the kick was taken, while I was asking for clarification, my assistant brought out the rule book turned to the page of the rule. The referee put his hand up to us and said, "I don't care what the rule is in the book. This is my game and the penalty is what I say it is."
That's been about ten years ago and I haven't heard the like since...but there it was.
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And by the way, I think that in any situation, regardless of rules and interpretations, the primary, immediate concern of any official should have been for the safety of the player on the ground.
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Regarding Strange calls...
We once had a player completely wiped out by an opposing defender- no play on the ball, our girl made a move and went to get around her and she was just decked. This happened right in front of our bench and I was flabbergasted to say the least that nothing was called. When I appealed to the ref for an explanation he told me "I know the girl and she did not mean to do it!"
Later on an "inadvertent hand ball" when I uttered the same thing in response to the call on our girl all I got was a stern look and a reprimand to be quiet on the bench.
Oh well.....
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Funny moment from last season...
I'm not normally one to be vocal towards officials, whether I agree with a call or not, but I had called out once or twice during a game--one issue in particular that involved a girl on the ground similar to ROH's experience. Later in the game, he made a call against one of our players close to the bench. It was a righteous call, so I shushed the "awww"s from the bench and said, "Good call, Ref."
He turned and said, "Oh, so you decided to agree with me this time, huh?"
I said, "Well, you decided to get it right this time...thought it was only fair."
Believe it or not, we had a good laugh about it after the game and parted on good terms.
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OK. I am quite tired of the "assumptions" being thrown around. I have video of the entire CC/BR game. Anyone that wants to see it and critique the refs can let me know. As for what actually happened, I will let the video speak for itself. The one thing I do agree with is that the refs blew quite a few calls. And since I was 10 feet away on the carded free kick offense I can assure you the CC kid was NOT warned and told to back up. In fact the ref told me that BR did not ask for 10 yards and did not have to, which is correct. Hence the reason I was carded. And the kick inside the box was given as an indirect kick, which is why the ref's hand was up prior to the kick.
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the entire game? wow, you must have a lot of free time.
Fletch: It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
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