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Spot On. Good Luck.

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Must say I'm not too excited about another club in the locwcountry, but this looks like a well thought out effort. The location and affordability may just add new talent to the local soccer scene. Good Luck.

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Dadof3, I know you think there is enough room for another East Cooper Club but did you try to work with DISA or the City of Charleston before starting this club? You are just a few miles down the road from DISA - You know you are targeting the same u9-u12 kids. Do you think DISA is too expensive?

Also - this quote is on your web site --

"You looking for More Competitive? We will consider transferring any team (or creating an elite squad) to compete at Select or Classic status if and when it is deemed appropriate."

Are you trying to steal teams away from other clubs?

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Congratulations on your new venture and best of luck! Sounds like you have a great plan. It's nice to see people do the hard work and actually do something other than complain when things don't go their way. I also believe that taking the game to undeserved areas is fantastic.

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Thanks LeGrazie and others for your kind words. Also to scsoccer who raises some interesting questions that deserve a response.

Firstly, I am not the only one who thinks there is enough room for another club, trust me. We have a host involved in this new adventure and when we started planning this last year, we quickly bumped into two other outfits looking to open a new club (east of the Cooper) and so we merged our efforts into one.

I am intimately aware of the operations of both the City of Charleston and DISA in our area. I have the highest regard for both organizations and have children who have played in both programs. In addition I coached for a number of years on DI with the City and one of our board members still does. Yes we did talk with the City in an effort to combine our operations especially with regard to the little ones and internal programs and got a luke warm reception. The City as you probably know plays their rec level soccer in the MP SCAP program or at least did when I coached. The frustrating part about their operations (at that time) is that we could not play in post season tournaments or move to a higher level for those kids who needed a little more.

By the sounds of it, you know the typical path for these kids which is leave the City program and move to MPSC (long drive to Patriots Point). Unless you want to invest in a higher level of local soccer and DISA. There is a big gap between the City rates and DISA. More on DISA in a moment but let me conclude why the City is not the answer for developmental talent. Actually let me just point you to their summer camp program where the highlight for Daniel Island is Hip Hop and Lacrosse. This points to a more serious concern than adequate developmental soccer programs with the City. Partnering with municipalities means you probably lose control of your playing fields and have to abide by political decisions that often hurt soccer in general. I’m sure some of you reading this know what I mean with this statement.

I did personally reach out to DISA long before we moved too far, and the guys over there have been very supportive of what we are trying to do. I consider their coaches some of the best around and I enjoyed my families’ time with them. Top notch outfit and wish them all the luck, especially Stephen and his Hurricanes. I do not consider us in competition with them, or anyone else for that matter. Ours is a nonprofit organization and by definition this means we do not want or are allowed to make a dime of our efforts increasing the reach of soccer and youth sports in general. I am sure over time some of their kids might come to our Club and some of ours move on to theirs and if it is in the desire of the parents and players to do that, good for them. I anticipate a healthy and mutually beneficial partnership with all our local clubs.

As for targeting the same kids, possibly but like so many soccer programs, I suspect success at recruiting will come from a good reputation, a fair price, treating everyone with respect, and a strong program. Seems to me DISA has nothing to worry about, and I can assure you we will not either.

Do I think DISA is too expensive? You are talking to the same guy who played soccer in the streets growing up. The City of Charleston micro program at $30 is too expensive to me. What is important should be value for money and not the amount of the check you write. All Clubs (even ours) need to cover their expenses, whether it is with top rated coaches, superior fields, comfortable clubhouses, full time staff, or just underwriting scholarships. Each Club sets its prices based on a mixed bag of criteria and who am I to say what is right. I will say what is most important to me is that soccer should be accessible to all whether that is with low rate fees or full scholarships. I can guarantee you that DISA and our Club honor this sentiment.

Lastly, we do not intend to lure teams away from other clubs but I suspect some will come based on our mission and their relationship with some of our coaches. At least a number of players might want to follow a coach they are comfortable and happy with. We put that line in as we want to keep our options open, and support our own children who will grow old with the Club. As long as soccer keeps growing at the pace it is, and we are all successful in embracing a new group of youth to the game, additional clubs should be encouraged and not questioned. Bottom line. We will bring facilities and opportunity for the game to grow at a grass roots level. The best clubs will flourish and only those without strong leadership and goals need worry, but that is just as true in any form of business or life.

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Very impressive remarks and a clear explanation of what your mission statement will be for Cainhoy Athletic. As I recently remarked in an earlier thread, U14G Lowcountry Challenge League Fall 2009, your website is impressive and obviously much thought has gone into your endeavor. Best of luck to you!

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Dadof3 - Thank you for your response and good luck to you, too. You are starting out right and you have something that most clubs can only envy – a soccer facility (and leadership).

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Firstly, what can I say? Thank you for such an exciting and interesting first day on scsoccer. I’m a fan. Over 750 viewers and 18 replies in a single day. Way to get the word out.

Many of you have helped answer any thoughts or concerns raised during the day but I would like to respond to a couple and clarify a few points that need further explanation.

Talon, you quickly raised the question I knew would surface quickly and glad you did
“Another Lowcountry soccer club?” and followed it up with “Who will the coaches be?”
From there a good dialog (speculation) emerged around our intent with regard to coaching staff, parents, and certification (or qualification). Let me just jump right in.

I have heard the sentiment that we have too many soccer clubs in Charleston a number of times in the 5+ years I’ve been coaching the kids but I just don’t get it. How many of you have to train with about 100 kids next to you squeezed in on two fields? In the fall, 2008 season for example 3 times in a 10 week season I personally witnessed coaches shouting and squabbling over 30 yards of grass and a soccer goal in front of the children they are supposed to be mentoring and training. I currently coach in a division of four teams with three from the same club which means 75% of my games are against the same club wearing the same colors at the same site. How boring is that? sorry Mike and Matt. Isn’t variety meant to be the spice of life and I for one enjoy the opportunity to travel a few miles to different locations and play a variety of clubs.

This spring I lost my training slot and field to a growing army of lacrosse players and ended up running drills in a car park. Of course reminded me of my childhood where I played soccer in the streets of Brighton with two jerseys on the tarmac for goal posts. Oh the good old days, “Seagulls….”

For a few years I helped out with the City program on Daniel Island and we had to play our rec program on Etiwan Park. Have you ever visited this recreation space? Nice place for walking the dog or pushing my 3 year old on a swing, but hardly White Hart Lane.

Also if you polled the nearly 400 kids at Cainhoy Elementary and asked how many played soccer at club level with a ‘real uniform’ and a dedicated and knowledgeable coach, what do you think the response would be? I’m guessing close to zero and so how can anyone say we have too many clubs (or at least affordable programs and facilities – I’m not going there in this post).

Now to coaching…

While we have a good portion of our coaching staff lined up for our initial year, we are sensitive to existing commitments to current clubs and families. With outstanding games left to be played in the spring LYSYA program that will conclude in early May we will unlikely make any broad announcement about our coaches until late April (monitor our website). Yes reading between the lines does mean a number of existing and qualified coaches will be joining us including several champions at league and tournament level (fall James Island and recent Piggly Wiggly). Having said that, I will follow it up by saying in the most part these are also parents of kids playing today including myself. I will also back up ‘Always Offsides” astute comment around keeping the costs down and state that as of today all our coaching staff will volunteer their time and effort for the love of the game which mirrors our philosophy and passion for the sport.

Technical trainers and staff likewise have been forthcoming and helpful and our likely line up of technical trainers will range from elite club players to college athletes, school and college coaches and even the odd professional. Certification and qualifications should not be a concern and we recognize and understand the rules and regulations in this area. Our website also does a good job of explaining our commitment to our coaches and we will be working with SCYSA and other organizations to ensure we fulfill this important pledge. Training does not end with initial instruction and our coaches will receive continued help in improving their skills and certification level as we believe developing our coaches is an essential part of growing the Club and by association improving our players.

We are focusing our initial efforts on the little ones and LSYSA (rec) levels of play but we will consider extending our services if or when the need arises. Thanks again for reading and giving me the opportunity to get on my soapbox.




Dadof3,this is quite an interesting post. Looks like Cainhoy Ath. has covered some reputable ground for a start. I have been away for abit and just saw this post today so am going to throw in my two cents about one or two statements you made above;

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I have heard the sentiment that we have too many soccer clubs in Charleston a number of times in the 5+ years I’ve been coaching the kids but I just don’t get it. How many of you have to train with about 100 kids next to you squeezed in on two fields? In the fall, 2008 season for example 3 times in a 10 week season I personally witnessed coaches shouting and squabbling over 30 yards of grass and a soccer goal in front of the children they are supposed to be mentoring and training. I currently coach in a division of four teams with three from the same club which means 75% of my games are against the same club wearing the same colors at the same site.




Should say that despite the number of clubs in Charleston,DO NOT be discouraged or put down by such kind of talk as charleston having too many clubs. We have close to 6 clubs in charleston (i stand corrected on number of clubs),but strongly state that the level of commitment of the various technical personnel in ALL six clubs is rather sketchy(You can count the number of personnel that genuinely project and work towards player progress on one hand) , ranging from good or selfish intentions. There are great administrators and trainers scattered over the 6 or so clubs but sad to say they are the minority of who we have that actually spin the wheels. Point here is that,Your organization is just as good as the very first organization that charleston had because despite the following that the current clubs have right now,most of the current clubs seem to be going around in circles in regards to their operatively stated missions and seem not to be any different from the clubs that were there prior to their initial inception. It will take hard work to get the whole thing rolling but don't take to the hard talk. Stick with your mission and make it work. Interesting though absolutely possible that the real influence in the game in charleston can actually materialize outside of the center stage.
Welcome to the "soccer club" world and your drive and courage is appreciated.

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