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Why is it so hard for PARENTS(Adults) to get into their heads that sooner or later with parents sitting all over the sidelines and cheering and screaming as if each game is the World Cup final will eventually cause word to be exchanged between parents. Her is a great scene from this past weekend Two teams were set to play and a team from the Coast parents decided to sit up and down the sideline with several having video camera's setup as the other team was setting up the one coastal parent intentionaly moved her camera directly infornt of the other parents line of site. I really wish the USYSA and SCYSA would implement a policy that whatever bench a team takes the parents are to sit directly across from their players. It is not a hard thin to do it just takes common sense which alot of Parents do not have. And no I was not part of either team just a by-stander that was truely amazed at how some adults act....
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Thanks for the post. This is a pest peeve of mine. Show up to the field and the other team parents are spread across both sides of the midfield. 
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not disagreeing with the fact that parents are rude etc. but I sit where I have the best view of the game, taking into coonsideration the position of the sun, AR, etc. I don't care if that's near the other team or not. Anyways, I a try to avoid talking to either set of parents. If someone wants to sit with me, fine. If they want to make comments or ask questions, they better expect that I WILL say what I think.
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If people would just be considerate of each other and show the same kind of sportsmanship on the sideline that we expect from players on the field, there would be no reason to have to separate people. If players can be expected to go out and play their hardest to win and yet show sportsmanship during and after the game, then parents and other fans should likewise be expected to be able to sit near each other and cheer on their own players while not deriding the other teams, or getting upset when someone else cheers theirs. Let's all MODEL what we expect our young people to learn from a sport, and we won't have problems on or off the field. 
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I would have to agree with my good friend Chass and add that the coaches are also partially at fault in my opinion. what I have done at times in the past (fortunately I have a wonderful parent group so I dont have to enforce this these days) is to address this in my preseason parent meeting what my player, coaches and parent game day expectations are and what violating this policy would mean so we are all on the same page before the first whistle is blown and you find that even though there might be questions ask by opposing parents as in this case, most times my parents will do the right thing and avoid the confrontation note I said most times because at the end of the day we are all human and not perfect in any way shape or form.
Just my thoughts on the matter at hand.
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Had a bad example of how things can get out of control. Center ref, in a championship games, let it get out of control. Lots of over the top physical challenges, slides etc... Parents getting hotter and hotter, then, one child slides another one, the slider gets a broken arm... slide under the other kid too deep, the weight of the falling child actually caused the break. IMHO the slider, kind of caused the break. Parents over boiled, bad language, references about needing to leave in a hurry. Being seperated by a few feet did not matter that much. I like getting away from everybody else, so I do not have to listen.
The fundamental problem was the ref did not do his job, for which he gets paid. IMHO
Same issue at another championship game. No calls, allowed things to get hotter and hotter. NO injuries there to speak of except - a broken toe or two.
Refs should earn the center spot, not just get assigned. We should have some kind of number on each ref, like a FICO score. Whomever has the best score of the three should get the important job. The coaches should get to rate each ref, each game. And just roll the number up. Simple.
We had a young lady on our side line one time who could ref College, Olympic teams, or MLS. And she was on the side... too funny.
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never thought that I would feel compelled to post here about this subject (yeah, I know) but just yesterday we had a very competitive match that ended in a 0-1 loss for us. Players knew we fell down in vital areas but were looking forward to addressing it in training. When leaving the bench, I hear from diagionally across the pitch one of my parents screaming at one of my players (who was NOT his child), making threats to a 12 y/o just because the player told our team we need to communicate top to bottom. WOW-maybe I am wrong but this is not baseball where you get 3 strikes- parent is no longer allowed to be on sidelines at our games- just cannot tolerate it and certainly am not going to give the guy another 2 go's at it.
I really didn't know they made cellophane underwear in his size.
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The fundamental problem was the ref did not do his job, for which he gets paid. IMHO
Refs should earn the center spot, not just get assigned. We should have some kind of number on each ref, like a FICO score. Whomever has the best score of the three should get the important job. The coaches should get to rate each ref, each game. And just roll the number up. Simple.
Any referee assignor in the state is going to put his best officials on the toughest, most important, highest-level matches being played that week. No assignor is going to intentionally put an inexperienced, or "bad ref" on a difficult match.
Now, are there always enough quality officials available to officiate these competitive matches on a given weekend? No. Probably not every weekend when there are college matches, tournaments, R3PL matches, etc. going on at the same time.
Kids play sports because they find it fun. Eliminate the fun and soon you eliminate the kid.
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Had a bad example of how things can get out of control. Center ref, in a championship games, let it get out of control. Lots of over the top physical challenges, slides etc... Parents getting hotter and hotter, then, one child slides another one, the slider gets a broken arm... slide under the other kid too deep, the weight of the falling child actually caused the break. IMHO the slider, kind of caused the break. Parents over boiled, bad language, references about needing to leave in a hurry. Being seperated by a few feet did not matter that much. I like getting away from everybody else, so I do not have to listen.
The fundamental problem was the ref did not do his job, for which he gets paid. IMHO
Same issue at another championship game. No calls, allowed things to get hotter and hotter. NO injuries there to speak of except - a broken toe or two.
Refs should earn the center spot, not just get assigned. We should have some kind of number on each ref, like a FICO score. Whomever has the best score of the three should get the important job. The coaches should get to rate each ref, each game. And just roll the number up. Simple.
We had a young lady on our side line one time who could ref College, Olympic teams, or MLS. And she was on the side... too funny.
While I agree with you that there have been instances when the reffing could have been better, there have even been days when I look back and felt that I could have done a better job as a coach win, lose or draw the fact of the matter is that should not be an excuse for us to go "buck wild" I feel that it is the coaches responsibility to voice his/her concern with the referee with regards to how the game is flowing and have the referee provide some insight as to what he/she is seeing out there so the coach can plan accordingly (definately not saying that allowing a "blood bath" is ok)and have the kids refocus on playing the game not the referee and the referee might now start to see some of the things they were missing prior to the coaches conversation vs yelling at them. I have found that "you catch more bees with honey vs vinegar.
Again this just just my opinion as I have chosen the latter in the past and lets just say it did not work in my favor.
1. All referees have a "grade" it runs from grade 9 on down, most of the referees in the charleston area are grade 8 and we have a few that go on down to a 6 I believe maybe even a 5 or two not 100% sure, I am however 100% that the assignors take into consideration who they assisgn what games based on the referees ability to manage that particular game or you might see me in a charleston battery center "scary I know"
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I hear you guys... but, I saw what I saw. I did not have a child in the match with the broken arm, so I believe I was seeing it with clear view point. When you hear smacking, slapping and see a balled up fist. More than 20-30 slides in a girls game... I do not disagree with you in principal, but in the specifics of what I see, from time to time, I must.
Going buck wild I do not agree with either. Coaches try to discuss things with the officals from time to time. And it goes from receptive to angry, by MR. Offical very easily.
Kevin, my point is simple. Are all grade 8's the same? If not, their should be further stratification. I would also assume, and may be right just because you have a lower number does not automatically make you superior. Getting a lower number higher certification, probably means more years doing it. Without constant feed back they will not improve.
To me it is like a family doctor versus a surgeon. Family doctors get more out of date over time, because their knowledge base is getting older and older. And their feed back is not as clear cut as a surgeon. Surgions get instant feed back if they do a good job or not. Thus, surgeons get better with age. Ref's simply need that feed back loop. Assessors or assignors do not see them game to game, week to week to provide that.
And I am not blaming the tilt of the planet on the refs. We had some really good teams of refs lately. The delta between the cream of the crop, and the rest is HUGE.
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