|
|
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 824
Brace
|
|
Brace
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 824 |
1) The two man system is awful no matter how good the referees are. I can either closely watch for offsides, or I can closely watch for the foul (through 10 people as I am off on the side in a 2 man system). The angles are absolutly horrible, and cause a lot of missed calls.
2) You are never going to get a system in high school soccer that breaks away from the current "classification" of A, AA, AAA, or AAAA or whatever your state uses. The smaller schools would scream out about having to play a large school. It is based on school size, and the talent from the school population. That is just the high school way. If they changed it for soccer, they would change it for every other sport....and everybody would scream. If you are really worried about quality soccer that usually have better match scores, go play or watch club soccer. High school is the way that it is, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
If you are going to argue a point, at least get factual information to back up your side.....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 302
Corner Kick
|
|
Corner Kick
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 302 |
Perhaps one should ask why the team on the short end of the 10-0 score fiedled a team or even has a program. No one requires a school to play any sport.
That being said, if you are going to field a team why are you fielding one that loses 10-0. Hire coaches worth hiring, develop players worth developing and put a team on the field capable of avoiding 10-0.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172
goal kick
|
|
goal kick
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 172 |
Uh oh. I remember someone else saying that. Name escapes me
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,062
brace
|
|
brace
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,062 |
Careful man. You'll eliminate about 70% of the H.S. soccer programs in the state. And then you'll have lacrosse.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,256 Likes: 2
Coach
|
|
Coach
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,256 Likes: 2 |
Quote:
Perhaps one should ask why the team on the short end of the 10-0 score fiedled a team or even has a program. No one requires a school to play any sport.
That being said, if you are going to field a team why are you fielding one that loses 10-0. Hire coaches worth hiring, develop players worth developing and put a team on the field capable of avoiding 10-0.
I think I understand what you're saying...if you're going to field a team, take it seriously and do it right, don't just fill slots just to say you have a team. That said--even with the best efforts, you are still going to have disparity in performance, especially when programs are still developing. If every school canceled its program after a couple of years of heavy losses, I wouldn't be doing what I do right now. Strong programs don't develop overnight. Teams that can be very competitive and get rewarding results with some opponents will still have 10-0 differences with others...does that mean they should end their programs altogether just because they can't compete with state championship-level teams? Again, this is where matchups based entirely on geography and school population size create some very lopsided pairings, but that doesn't mean there isn't a place for those teams to successfully compete. Some teams fall right in the middle...dominating some teams, dominated by others.
Truth is, there are teams at multiple disparate levels of soccer skill and development within the high school soccer scene; some pairings can create opportunities for good competition and growth, and some pairings will inevitably produce one-sided matches until or unless the lower-level team finds a way to step up to the competition. Either way, I don't think "just cancel the program" is the appropriate response as long as people are truly working to make the teams competitive and to give the players a positive experience from playing.
I've got good news and bad news...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 688
goal
|
|
goal
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 688 |
Most of the upside down scores come from schools teams with no club players, or just a few, versus teams with an abundance of club players.
We moved our program from not winning a game, to being competitive with anyone we play for the last two years. We got kids playing year round.
Our girls softball program, has won thru the playoffs 53-3, with a 10 run mercy rule victory over Byrnes for the upper state, with a game in their pocket (double eliminations). Was that luck, no, it was not. There are several very good travel teams based in Boiling Springs. They are blessed with talent. A freshman at USC just go on ESPN top plays, fresh from our field last year. They play for state this week.
Look at the huge losses. Premier players playing teams with no club players. Blame the schools for fielding teams where there are no clubs if you want. The elite game of soccer will only get worse, in the U.S., with this thought process, in my mind.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 357
corner kick
|
|
corner kick
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 357 |
Quote:
1) The two man system is awful no matter how good the referees are. I can either closely watch for offsides, or I can closely watch for the foul (through 10 people as I am off on the side in a 2 man system). The angles are absolutly horrible, and cause a lot of missed calls.
2) You are never going to get a system in high school soccer that breaks away from the current "classification" of A, AA, AAA, or AAAA or whatever your state uses. The smaller schools would scream out about having to play a large school. It is based on school size, and the talent from the school population. That is just the high school way. If they changed it for soccer, they would change it for every other sport....and everybody would scream. If you are really worried about quality soccer that usually have better match scores, go play or watch club soccer. High school is the way that it is, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
the reality is, not everybody can afford club soccer.
maradona, pele, gonzalez, cruyff, messi, ronaldo, none of them ever paid to play soccer.
Club of the century.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 824
Brace
|
|
Brace
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 824 |
Alma, then change it. I think it is ridiculous how much club soccer costs....and one reason my kids aren't going to play it is because of the cost.
If you are going to argue a point, at least get factual information to back up your side.....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 8
Bench
|
|
Bench
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 8 |
The gist of this thread presumes the purpose of playing a high school sport is to develop the competitive athlete -- but it's not; playing high school sports should be a continuation of the classroom so that such lifetime values as citizenship, sportsmanship, teamwork, and hard work are taught and reinforced.
In other parts of the world, HS sports are predominantly intramural, if offered at all, with competitive play being offered almost exclusively through clubs.
The paradigm in the US blends the club concept with interscholastic play in HS. To some extent that puts the US at a competitive disadvantage in global competition in soccer unless/until the academy concept evolves (i.e. creating regional/national magnet schools that have a soccer focus -- much like those that exist for american football and basketball); but still, your local HS will continue its mission.
And FYI -- most of the larger, more competitive club soccer programs have financial assistance available.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,062
brace
|
|
brace
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,062 |
That's pretty deep. Not altogether correct, at least in terms of football and basketball. But certainly, worthy of consideration.
|
|
|
|
