SC Soccer Forums SCSoccer.com Forums SCHSSCA A Question for Officials -- New Rule ?

if the ball was being thrown to the ground by keeper, it is an oppritunity for the kicker to steal ball. it should be allowed for it is deemed a careless error on the keepers part. next time, he should hold onto the ball.

If the keeper is bouncing the ball to himself as he proceeds to the edge of the penalty area, he is in possession of the ball and should not be interfered with in any way. I would disallow the goal. If keeper places or drops the ball with intent to play it out with his feet, then it's anybody's ball. Keepers often bounce the ball once or twice while preparing to punt, drop kick, or throw the ball back into play. A player hiding or remaining close to try and intercept a goalie mistake while in possession is interference and might deserve a yellow card.

Ok, here's a simple question, 'length of halves' in JV, is it 30 or 35 minutes? So far this season I've seen it both ways. Thanks!

Oldref...

Then how does Law 12 apply ??? this is the wording

FIFA Law 12 says:
An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper, inside his own penalty area, commits any of the following four offences:
takes more than six seconds while controlling the ball with his hands before releasing it from his possession

touches the ball again with his hands after it has been released from his possession and has not touched any other player...

I would really have no issue if someone can show me that the USSF/SCHSL or whoever amended/clarified the rule to state that bouncing = control. My problem is that based on the replies... it is interpreted by refs and not uniformly. I cannot find the definition for possession that meets the criteria.

I think technically you cannot say that the keeper is 'releasing it from his possession' by bouncing it. But he still has the 6 secs to release the ball.
http://www.asktheref.com/Soccer%20Rules/Question/10047/

2004 thanks for the link... I was hoping to have more official confirmation but (as you stated in your deleted message) referees have been telling me that it is possession. Just not uniformly.

Well futbol, if you want official confirmation, you can go to this site, but there is no way to search a ques. like you can on the other one. I am sure the answer is somewhere in past questions at the bottom of the page:
http://www.drix.net/jim/
Also, this is from that site and may address your ques. to a degree:

CHARGING THE GOALKEEPER
Your question:
May an attacker charge the opposite goalkeeper?
1. Inside the keeper's goal area;
2. Inside the rest of the keeper's penalty area;
3. Outside of the keeper's penalty area.

USSF answer (November 28, 2005):
Charging the opposing goalkeeper is possible only if the charging player and the goalkeeper are both going for a ball that is within playing distance of both but is not in the actual possession of the goalkeeper. If the goalkeeper has control of the ball in any manner other than with his hands (see Law 12, IBD 2 for the definition of "control"), an opponent may charge that 'keeper in the same manner that he or she would charge a field player who has the ball. The Law presumes that a goalkeeper who has clear possession of the ball in his or her hands has up to six seconds to distribute the ball into play and any player who interferes with this distribution by charging or otherwise interfering should be sanctioned. Thus, if the goalkeeper legally has hand control of the ball, then the 'keeper may NOT be charged, no matter where he or she is, and any attempt to do so could be punished with an indirect free kick or a direct free kick, depending on the circumstances. Again depending on the circumstances, the player might also be subject to a caution/yellow card for unsporting behavior.

Here's a simple observation on the keeper bouncing the ball question. We all seem to be aware of the rule that if a keeper releases control of the ball he cannot pick it up again. The question is does this particular ref think bouncing the ball is releasing control. So, the first time the keeper bounces the ball and grabs it back, if the ref doesn't blow the whistle he is saying that he does not think that bouncing the ball is losing control. I haven't experienced a time when a ref didn't allow the keeper to bounce the ball - since the rule change. As a coach I'm not happy with the idea - ever see what happens when a bounced soccer ball hits a sprinkler head? It's not a pretty sight! Panic everywhere! This might be a question the coach or captain asks the ref during the meeting at the start of the game.

SFF,

JV halves are generally 30 minutes.

Thanks Hurst, I just don't understand why you said 'generally', which is why I asked the question. What's the rule?

On GK's bouncing the ball, I know your trying to understand the rule but here's an opinion more than an interpretation (my son is a Club/HS keeper), the rule should be interpretted as, 'releasing the ball in any way constitutes NO control'. My son doesn't bounce the ball EVER and coaches should train them so. I watched a keeper muff the ball off his feet twice in the same game and the REF (Lousy) never called him on the double touch.