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PKs are chance if you do not do your homework. If you are a GKer and know cues and tendencies, then PKs are more chance for the shooter and more science for the GKer.
If you do not find PK win thrilling, then you have never been a GKer who dove and saved a PK that gave your team the win and had the team rush you and carry you off the field!! I was lucky enough to have that exact situation happen a few times in 1995 in our state title run for Riverside. If you are a GKer and do not RELISH a shootout to determine a game, then you are not a true GKer. Like I said earlier, as a player, give me PKs to decide a game any day!!!
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PK's are exciting to watch and they are a test of nerves. However, PK's are about the skill of the keeper and the player striking the ball. It is not reflective of the game as a whole. I think your voice is more of a player than a coach...sorry. sb
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I don't think pk's are chance. Solid driven shots to remote places of the net are result of skill. The GK's ability to reach those places in short amounts of time is even more skill. Just my opinion.
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Todd -- Thanks for raising this question.
I'm against PKs in the regular season. Sure, you have to have a winner in the playoffs and the current format is preferable with the two 10 minute overtime periods, followed by two 5 minutes golden-goal periods, and finally penalty kicks.
However, in the regular season ties should be a part of the game. As for region standings, which determine the playoff seedings for Class 3A/4A, using the point system of 3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie would suffice. For tie-breakers use what the rest of the world does -- aggregate goals and away goals. If it is still tied after that, then simply have a playoff game for that seeding at a neutral region site.
How many coaches would like to see the SCHSSCA pursue change to our current PK policy? Please state reasons pro/con.
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While we're on this subject, I'm all for JV matches being extended to 35 minute halves with no overtime during the season. Also would like to see Varsity games extended to 45 minutes with a pair of five-minute overtime periods during the regular season and no penalty kick shootouts until the playoffs (unless it's a tournament in which winners/losers have to be determined -- these would be recorded as ties officially). In the playoffs, the overtime periods would be a pair of 10-minute periods and a "sudden victory" five minute period. Region standings would reflect "the rest of the world" with a points system (3=win, 1=tie, 0=loss).
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I do not think PK's should ever be used to determine winners in regular season matches, but obviously they must be the final outcome for playoff matches.
I would like to see overtime periods extended to two 10 or 15 minute periods that are all golden goal If the match is tied still then regular season matches would end in ties and playoff matches would then go to PK's. I feel this would result in many more game decisions that were determined through team play and less on PK's.
I think time wise it would be shorter in many cases than the time it takes to administrate and run a PK shootout.
I am very much in favor of 35 minute jv halves.
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I am also against PK's deciding regular season matches.Although we won down in Beaufort Thursday night after PK's and I felt great for our kids, I caught myself looking at the other side thinking they did not deserve to lose that way--they played as hard as we did. We have lost 3 times this season through PK's so I know how Jon and his boys felt.
But as Coach Carson has said, some consideration has to go to travel time for opponents, especially on school nights. I think two fives of golden goal would be great, that would give us the same time as the pro game, if tied after that, give the points.
I also think 35 mins for JV sounds fine assuming the game starts on time.
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35 minutes for JV would be good if there is no varsity game behind it. If there is a varsity game after the JV game, and everyone is concerned with travel time, then give the varisty guys the extra 10 minutes and, instead of having two 5 minute OT periods, go two 10 minute periods of either golden goal or play it all.
You really can't, on one hand, say you are concerned about travel time (and use that as one reason to eliminate PKs) but also want to make JV games 10 minutes longer.
If it is a JV game only, or perhaps a JV boys/JV girls double header, then go 35s. If you have a JV/varsity double header, leave the JV at 30 minute halves and let the varsity guys play two 10 minute golden goal or play it all OT periods.
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I didn't exactly mean that PK's are ALL chance, but I have seen too many of them where some of the best players (who practice them all the time) will miss one by a mile, while the player who, on a normal day couldn't put the ball in the back of the net WITHOUT a goalkeeper, makes HIS PK.
If PK's were pure skill, they should result in an automatic goal. If the ball is hit with the proper weight and placement, there is no possible way for a goalkeeper to make the save. That being said, there have been hundreds of awesome saves made by great keepers, that average goalkeepers would not make, but when hit properly, physics wins...goalkeepers cannot get all the way to the post before a hard-hit ball placed on the ground right beside it does.
That is wonderful that great goalkeepers love shootouts, but games are not played for the enjoyment of goalkeepers.
As mentioned above, PK's do not necessarily show how a team has played during a match....futbol IS a team sport, after all.
This might be a good time to get in line with the rest of the world.
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quote:
Originally posted by Belligerent:
I didn't exactly mean that PK's are ALL chance, but I have seen too many of them where some of the best players (who practice them all the time) will miss one by a mile, while the player who, on a normal day couldn't put the ball in the back of the net WITHOUT a goalkeeper, makes HIS PK.
If PK's were pure skill, they should result in an automatic goal. If the ball is hit with the proper weight and placement, there is no possible way for a goalkeeper to make the save. That being said, there have been hundreds of awesome saves made by great keepers, that average goalkeepers would not make, but when hit properly, physics wins...goalkeepers cannot get all the way to the post before a hard-hit ball placed on the ground right beside it does.
That is wonderful that great goalkeepers love shootouts, but games are not played for the enjoyment of goalkeepers.
As mentioned above, PK's do not necessarily show how a team has played during a match....futbol IS a team sport, after all.
This might be a good time to get in line with the rest of the world.
In many ways, I agree with you. Yet, in a few, I do not. While it's true that a ball hit with "the proper weight and placement" is nearly unstoppable for a keeper, it is that one moment of uncertainty that makes PK's such an intense situation for everyone on a team.
Personally, I am all for PK Shootouts over ending a game in a tie. And yes, games aren't played for the enjoyment of keepers, but they are played for the enjoyment of teams and that one second when your team realizes that they just won a game by PK's... yeah, that's enjoyment alright.
As mentioned above, PK's do not necessarily show how a team has played during a match....futbol IS a team sport, after all.
True; PK's don't show how a team has played during the regulation time but once you get down to PK's... the PK's become a part of the match. Sure, physically a Penalty Kick is between a shooter and a keeper, but mentally, it is a team 'ordeal.' When a keeper knows they are about to go down to PK's, they know that the game is on the line... their line. I wrote a paper for a class on how important the confidence my teammates had in me was during a PK Shootout earlier in the season (and yes, we won that game in PK's) so as far as mentality goes... I think an entire team is involved in a PK Shootout.
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