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You guys who are bashing Van Taylor for having a limited amount of sc players on his roster - have you ever thought that perhaps Van has recruited his share of the sc kids and maybe they are the ones who decided not to attend Lander? The recruiting process involves two parties. I personally know that Coach Taylor has recruited numerous in-state players and for one reason or another things just didn't materialize. There are many different facets to the "packages" that are available for coaches. The player's playing ability, academic resume, financial needs, etc are just a few, but they are also the primary factors. Furthermore, foreign players, such as the scandanavian countries, are encouraged to seek education in the states and often recieve funding from their governments to do so. Therefore, this provides financial flexibility for the college coach.

Now to the issue of "I know there are sc players who are better than the foreign players on the roster." This might be true in some cases. But, it has been my experience that most of the best sc players do not even consider division 2 schools, because they feel they are division 1 players and/or they think their ability commands a full scholarship. I am sure this makes it extremely difficult to "sell" your division 2 program to a kid who believes they are above and then they go to usc, clemson, coastal, etc and sit for the majority of their career if not all of it. Don't get me wrong, recently, there have been and are a few players from our state who are legitimate division 1 players. However, this has only been the case for a few years.

Finally, again, I would defer to those individuals who are qualified to evaluate and assess talent (such as Van Taylor, who is one of the only coaches in this country to hold the UEFA Pro License and UEFA B License) before I would make the statements that you know that there are better players from sc than what he has on the roster. Note: Coaching courses such as the USSF A, NSCAA Premier, and UEFA A and B, are much more in depth than just creating/organizing training sessions to improve certain principles of the game.

futbol, i understand what you are saying, but if i were a college coach, i wouldn't like the idea of someone else dictating the composition of my roster. while i agree that sc is certainly turning out more quality players than in years past, and i would love to see them playing for in-state schools more frequently, i just don't think it would be fair to put a roster limit on the number of non-sc players a college coach could have.

Shearer

if you do not have any sons and/or daughters playing ODP, whats with all the beef? I could understand you bashing ODP because it has its flaws, even though it is getting better as numerous posters have posted on here. But the attack on Van and his composition of his roster is absurd. If you have no one who has been affected then why start an argument? I got it, if you dont have kids, you must have had players that have been passed over. Kinda like what happened a couple of years ago at USC right? Thats the only logical explanation!

Futbol,
I'm confused. It looks like you and macroefan are part of the same organization. How is it that you see two entirely different things?

If you think that passes are not flexible in Y League and that the teams are not watered down from Premier league you are really deluded and someone is selling you a bill of goods or you are the one selling the bill of goods. I know better, and it looks like most people on this board do too. I have no problem with anyone trying to enhance players exposure and development in a fledgling league, but I do have a problem with such a false representation of Y League.

I have no idea who Macroefan is...

I also know what I see, on the boys side at least the Super Y competition is strong in the ages I have been exposed, many represent the club/team that is currently playing in the premier league. Many are teams made up of "all stars" (please note the quotes). The competition I have seen is faster and stronger than "normal classic/challenge" ball. Unfortunately I have not been able to see any premier league games but 2. In both cases I thought the teams playing were equal the level of Super Y - no surprise as they also competed in the Super Y league...

passes - 1 all players must be rostered,
2- passes are required although I have known players played because the roster was available but the pass did not make it. Did I see a 21 year old playing....no. Did I see a youthful looking 18 year old play U14.... I have no idea.
Did I see a kid that was so incredible that you would have to ask the question?.... no

I am not defending Super y or USYSA or SCysa or whatever. I have answered questions based on my knowledge, and as I am realistic enough to know that I do not know everything, I am also realistic enough to believe that neither do you.

So since nobody knows the whole story then let it be by choice, which is what defines this country - for an individual to take the information available and make the best decision for themselves.

Now can we get back to the original subject.... state cup.... It would appear that there will be lots of shifting in the positions due to the back end loaded schedules... It will make an interesting first round pairing discussion.

prettyrick,

Good point. Tough for a D2 coach to recruit quality SC players when those kids would rather sit on the end of a USC, Clemson or CofC bench. Doesn't mean the D2 coach isn't trying.

As for ODP, it was much more meaningful before the days of the Super Clubs. In a state as geographically small as our's (a one Super Club state), there is no reason to lay out the time and money for ODP if you have the means to get to Greenville three times a week. The exposure you can get playing for CESA's premier team is probably enough to get you noticed by whoever needs to see you.

This coming weekend should clear the picture up a little. I thinking seeding in the state cup is probably the most important thing. With the premier league getting seeds 1 and 2 automatically you could easily have the best two teams in the state in the same bracket.

Chapin,

Forgive my ignorance but usually aren't the 1 and 2 seed split between the brackets?

Futbol,
A few direct questions and then I'll drop this. You're right, I don't know everything about this league but I know more than the lay person and what I have said has been from first hand experience.

1. What teams that are currently in Premier league in Super Y. There are none from SC. What age groups? Gerogia and NC are the only possibilities in Region 3.
2. Have you ever seen scouts at these games? If so, what are their names.

Thanks. Oh yeah, thanks for the civics lesson. All of a sudden I want to go vote for something.

Nino see your PM....