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Could not agree more.

azzuri,
The Classic league lists 2 U13 Bridge teams-
http://scysa.demosphere.com/presidentsmedal/standings/index_E.html

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Striker, I believe those are two U12 teams playing up. I don't think they would qualify as "B" teams per the previous statement that suggeted Bridges "B" teams were more successful than CUFC...

Hurst,
I completely agree with promotion and relegation, but it still does not help the "in-between" teams when you have only 2 divisions. An example is the U14 USA Matthews Cleats girls team in NC. Prior to U14, NC Classic only has D1 and D2. In Fall 05, Cleats were promoted to D1 only to be relegated again for Spring of 06. They are again in D1 this Fall after finishing at the top of D2 this past spring. So with only 2 divisions, the "in between teams" tend to bounce back and forth. Now that the top 11 U14 teams are in the Premier division, the Cleats seem more secure in their D1 birth currently sitting in 3rd place. The more teams and divisions, the more evenly matched each division will be and thus, different teams will have more chance of being promoted or relegated each season.

>>[bamr1] So reading between the lines which is it a) challenge and Elite level players who are not being trained to their potential by CUFC (HUMM CESA-Columbia) or b) classic level players who are just being mislabeled as challenge teams.<<

I honestly have not a clue as to what is going on at CUFC; I'm hoping that someone out there who is more intimate with the internal operations will post and give some insight.

However, it's incredibly hard for me to believe that it would be a coaching problem -- CUFC has some pretty good coaches.

My guess is that there are some operational issues associated with team structure and formation at the policy level of the club -- but honestly, that's a complete guess.

Coach P

There are (including R3PL teams with my proposed divisions for promotion and relegation)
24 U18 boys - 8 top 8 second 8 third
20 U18 girls - 8 top 6 second 6 third
18 U17 Boys - 8 top 5 second 5 third
16 U17 Girl - 8 top 8 second
21 U16 Boys - 8 top 7 second 6 third
13 U16 girls - 8 top 7 second
21 U15 boys - 8 top 7 second 6 third
19 U15 girls - 8 top 6 second 5 third
24 U14 boys - 8 top 8 second 8 third
17 U14 girls - 8 top 9 second
21 U13 boys - 8 top 7 second 6 third
18 U13 girls - 8 top 5 second 5 second

You mean we cannot make 3 divisions? or variations to the theme

>>[Coach P] So, by this logic, should SC teams be in the R3PL? So far this season SC teams have only won 30% of their R3PL matches.<<

There is quite a bit of discussion concerning the depth of SC soccer and the extent of participation in RIIIPL-East by SC teams by RIIIPL-East folks. Here's the short answer from the perspective of the statistics: typically in the last few years, the first-seeded SC team has been competitive in RIIIPL-East and the second-seeded SC team has been grossly non-competitive with amazingly high goal differentials.

There are exceptions to this -- for example, last year in the U15B bracket two SC teams (DSC and CESA) were among the highest ranked RIIIPL-East teams. However, this has been the exception rather than the rule -- and part of the reason you see more GA, NC, etc. teams in RIIIPL-East than SC teams.

Hopefully, as Bridge has shown and as CUFC is attempting to show, SC can be more competitive in RIIIPL-East with both its first- and second-seeded teams. Please note, however, that SC isn't getting more competitive in RIIIPL-East by playing tougher competition -- it is getting more competitive largely through structural change occurring through the creation of "merged" or "allied" clubs such as CUFC and Bridge.

I'm beginning to get the impression that some of you are saying teams don't get better by playing better competition. I just don't believe that. I played tennis up into my 30s. I improved tremendously by challenging myself against players better than me. I did not improve when I played players that I could easily defeat. I just believe that, no matter what level you are at, you can always improve and you do that through training and through facing better competition.