>>[coldhardtruth] If you had a trainer that had a average team or group of players and found ways to consistantly win..Would he not fall into the category of best trainer?<<

Yep. I always find it interesting to see what coaches of a club's "B" teams are able to do in terms of winning.

Finally, to the general point -- in my experience, the best players tend to go where the best players are -- the best coach/trainer in the world can't make up for 15 unskilled players and a pretty aggressively average coach/trainer can help a kid advance her/his skills a lot more easily with 15 highly skilled players.