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I have posed a question based on broad information about state champs—I have no stats. . .because I don't have the state champs list anywhere in front of me.
BUT I know that soccer teams benefit HUGELY from open enrollment. If anyone thinks BE dominates girls soccer at the AA/A level for any reason other than they have a private school/open enrollment advantage, he/she is being naive.
Greenville schools also benefit from open enrollment within the large county.
My hypothesis is that there is a strong correlation between soccer programs working within open enrollment environments and success/championships. I would add I suspect some causation as well.
We might then layer on the socio-economic advantage we have identified on this board before also (Poverty Index/success).
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G&B this is what I know... If i have any wrong I apologize in advance.
2001
4A - Hillcrest or RNE (don't know)
3A - Riverside over Ac flora
2A/A - CC over Hanahan
2002
4A - West Ashley over Mauldin
3A - Dreher over Eastside
2A/A - BE over CC
2003
4A - West Ashley over Mauldin
3A - Eastside over West Florence
2A/A - BE over CC
2004
4A - Wando over Mauldin
3A - Riverside over West Florence
2A/A - Chapin over BE
2005
4A - West Ashley over Fort Mill
3A - BC over Eastside
2A/A - BE over CC
2006
4A - Dorman over Irmo
3A - Riverside over BC
2A/A - BE over SSC
2007
4A - Wando over Lexington
3A - Eastside over Hilton Head
2A/A - BE over Woodruf
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2001 = all open enrollment/private winners
2002 = 4/6 open enrollment/private in finals
2003 = 2/3 OE/P winners, 4/6 OE/P in finals
2004 = 3/6 OE/P in finals (anyone know about Wando, WF???)
2005 = 3/6 OE/P in finals
2006 = 2/3 OE/P winners
2007 = 2/3 OE/P winners
I don't know about OE status of Wando, Lex, HH, BC, WA, WF, Dreher, ACF—help?
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The archives of state championships are on the main page.
GB, your private school argument is valid and I see this as a major advantage on the playing field. I have spoken with the girls coach at BE and he states that no girls are recruited to play soccer until they have been admitted/enrolled/begun classes at the school. Regardless, it makes for an unfair advantage.
We've got lots of supporters from Greenville County, many that are lurkers and not posters. I'd like to hear from any of them if they've used OE to enroll in another school other than the initially zoned facility.
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CLARIFICATION: This commentary by me is simply description of a phenomenon; I am in no way criticizing any of the schools, coaches or players who fall within this description. I do regret that the current parameters under which teams compete (open enrollment public, private, and closed enrollment public all competing equally among each other) are unfair; however, I would blame those who make the rules, not those competing within those rules.
Sorry—BE recruits—it may not be direct—but do you really believe they haven't benefited from players going there to reap the advantages of a fine soccer program? (Or tennis, or golf, or. . .)
My gut feeling is that public schools with open enrollment and private schools benefit from a reverse recruitment advantage: Students in part or completely choose the school because of the soccer program and school quality. Therefore, the school/coaches do not need to recruit directly.
And it doesn't take much to know the players at Greenville schools and where they live. The top soccer schools do have players who live elsewhere in the county. This is perfectly legal so I am not suggesting anything is wrong with this.
Both OE public and private schools are doing absolutely nothing wrong. The result, however, is a clear advantage over traditional public schools with a closed enrollment policy.
Formula for soccer success: (1) Start a soccer team in a school with a LOW poverty index + (2) Be sure the school has an open enrollment policy (or is private) + (3) Be sure the school is close enough to a large club that players have access to a high-quality club coaching and play = Success
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With the exception of the couple of private schools that play as public, playing for a private school in SCISA makes for a long road to travel trying to advance to play at the college level. This does not mean there are not talented players in SCISA, it's just the recognition (and exposure) is hard to come by - no Super 22 lists, no North-South games, less media coverage and very little support from SCISA itself. Several of the teams and a number of individuals can play with the best.
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I agree, BUT at least ALL SCISA teams are competing on equal footing—unlike the disparity we find in the HSL allowing private to compete with public and public to have both open enrollment schools and closed enrollment schools.
Certainly, quality players are in all of these schools and leagues. Probably a real shame many SCISA players get left out of the all-star games and lists.
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G&B ... therefore, following your argument The HSL does not have a leg to stand on if a player in the greenville area goes from one school to the other?
When the boy from greenwood wanted to go to Byrnes to play football he was stopped because of the HSL transfer rules, i.e you are not zoned there so why are you changing if you are not moving?
Eventually this was resolved, but why is it any different than Sallie moving from Riverside to Greenville High School to play Volleyball without actually moving?
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I have spoken with the girls coach at BE and he states that no girls are recruited to play soccer until they have been admitted/enrolled/begun classes at the school.
My first instinct was to call horse puckey on that one, but to be fair, while I have seen other schools attempting to draw players away from their public high school teams, I don't have any evidence of BE actively recruiting. Truth told, they probably don't need to. The reputation of the program in itself is pretty much the only recruiting tool they need; it's accepted that if you want to play on a state championship team and get noticed, BE is one of the best choices. With open enrollment, it's easier to assemble a "dream team" with the best of the best from a number of different areas rather than just a single restricted attendance zone. If you can manage to attract the single best player from 11 different schools and put them all on the field on the same team at the same time...well, the advantage speaks for itself.
For athletic purposes, even an open enrollment school like BE is required by the SCHSL to declare an attendance area, which can be either (1) the attendance area of the public school in whose
attendance area the school is located, (2) the school district in which the school is located, and (3) the
county in which the school is located. Still, even with that limitation...I'd love to be able to pull players from my entire district (or county...one and the same for me.) Advantage? Without a doubt.
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I have spoken with the girls coach at BE and he states that no girls are recruited to play soccer until they have been admitted/enrolled/begun classes at the school.
My first instinct was to call horse puckey on that one, but to be fair, while I have seen other schools attempting to draw players away from their public high school teams, I don't have any evidence of BE actively recruiting. Truth told, they probably don't need to. The reputation of the program in itself is pretty much the only recruiting tool they need; it's accepted that if you want to play on a state championship team and get noticed, BE is one of the best choices. With open enrollment, it's easier to assemble a "dream team" with the best of the best from a number of different areas rather than just a single restricted attendance zone. If you can manage to attract the single best player from 11 different schools and put them all on the field on the same team at the same time...well, the advantage speaks for itself.
For athletic purposes, even an open enrollment school like BE is required by the SCHSL to declare an attendance area, which can be either (1) the attendance area of the public school in whose
attendance area the school is located, (2) the school district in which the school is located, and (3) the
county in which the school is located. Still, even with that limitation...I'd love to be able to pull players from my entire district (or county...one and the same for me.) Advantage? Without a doubt.
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