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Have to disagree on your posts HappyDaddy..Listeneing to members talk I do not think the vote on the name change and color scheme are going to pass..The same ones that complained all the time about things at SSC are doing the same about this..I have come to the conclusion that some are just happy being miserable..I hear some talk about pride but I do not see them rolloing their sleeves up to help..So let's say the vote does not pass...The same old folks can go back to complaining about the same old stuff
I am not saying that this is the right thing for SSC but at least the board is trying to change something and that's all you can start with...I just can't figure out what people want...Except to be miserable and complain about everything...You have a Happy day...DADDY!!
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I can't speak to what the vote may be, so its failure to be approved by the membership is certainly possible. My post referred to the intentions of the parties who crafted the agreement.
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That is hilarious..."CESA is a brand" If you watch any of their teams under the Elite level you can see the quality of that brand..almost as impressive as the "Brand" is working in Columbia (joke). Also, funny how the "brand" needs to recruit so intensely kids out of their area. Thanks for the laugh...I needed that...
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coldhardtruth,
the only person i know down in summerville is my brother and his kids do not play soccer so i can not contest to how people are there.i will say that your statement about some people are just happy being miserable is dead on.it happens everywhere you go.i was told one time that people do not like change if it is not their idea for change.
i am a cesa supporter but i have no idea what is going on in summerville except for what i read on here.i bet cesa gets the most free publicity on this board than a truck load of money could by.
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That is hilarious..."CESA is a brand" If you watch any of their teams under the Elite level you can see the quality of that brand..almost as impressive as the "Brand" is working in Columbia (joke). Also, funny how the "brand" needs to recruit so intensely kids out of their area. Thanks for the laugh...I needed that...
may i ask what galaxy you are in.must be the mpsc or summerville galaxy.from what i can read you do not like the cesa or cufc galaxy. 
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If you watch any of their teams under the Elite level you can see the quality of that brand. [...] Thanks for the laugh...I needed that...
Here's an interesting exercise to attempt to validate your observation. Let's examine the number of teams in the final 4 of last fall's challenge cup:
CESA - 12
CUFC - 8
Bridge - 3
FSCG - 2
LCSC - 2
CUSC - 1
CFC - 1
CESA only has 8 premier-level teams in these age groups; so 4 of challenge teams were in the final 4. In other words, if you removed all of the elite teams from CESA and compared them against the existing clubs in South Carolina, they'd be second in number of final 4 teams (behind CUFC, ahead of Bridge.)
This isn't a one-off; from memory, the year before CESA had either 12 or 13 teams in the final 4.
Thus, I don't know how to validate your theory here with the actual results -- but perhaps I'm missing something?
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[...] ..almost as impressive as the "Brand" is working in Columbia (joke).
There are literally hundreds of kids involved in CESA-Columbia/SOAR who would beg to differ. I understand and appreciate that there is a focus on premier and challenge on this message board (I share that bias in my posts); but there are a lot more academy, recreation, and classic players than there are premier and challenge players.
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>>[HappyDaddy] My post referred to the intentions of the parties who crafted the agreement.It appears that the intention of Andrew and Pearse are that they are only going to help manage if SSC is part of the CESA "brand." That's pretty clear from the FAQs. Makes sense to me; otherwise Andrew and Pearse should resign from CESA and hang up their shingle as independent contractors. It's also pretty clear that "CESA" can't take over anyone since it's a corporate entity and club mergers across district boundaries (not state boundaries, but district boundaries -- funny, huh?) are next to impossible via a few somewhat recent SCYSA rulings. What I find absolutely fascinating on this thread are those that line up for and against the change. I like the fact that there's a vote. If I were a member of SSC, the questions I'd ask myself are as follows: - If the vote goes through, do I want an environment like CESA available for my child? (This has positives and negatives -- no "social" soccer at the higher levels, instead team formation is a meritocracy -- more practices for the highest levels -- more practices available -- etc.)
- If the vote doesn't go through, what will happen to SSC?
- For the parents of elite players, why didn't Bridge work for SSC -- or at least why didn't it work in the opinion of quite a few folks? Also, for the parents of elite players, what is the relationship between CESA and SSC specifically for my child?
- Who wants the vote to go through and why?
- Who does not want the vote to go through and why? [As an outside observer, I find this to be the most fascinating question of all.]
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It's all interesting to watch as a neutral. The outcome is of no direct consequence to my family. I have to wonder why Tormey and Hyslop couldn't advise SSC on how to do better at what it wants to do, without making it CESA-Charleston. If their motivation is to improve the quality of youth soccer in South Carolina, and at SSC in particular, why does it necessarily have to involve importing the CESA "brand?" There may be perfectly good reasons that it does, they just aren't apparent to me.
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It's all interesting to watch as a neutral. The outcome is of no direct consequence to my family. I have to wonder why Tormey and Hyslop couldn't advise SSC on how to do better at what it wants to do, without making it CESA-Charleston. If their motivation is to improve the quality of youth soccer in South Carolina, and at SSC in particular, why does it necessarily have to involve importing the CESA "brand?" There may be perfectly good reasons that it does, they just aren't apparent to me.
I mean this very, very respectfully; but I doubt that almost anyone is really neutral in this. Parents with children that play at CESA, or CUFC, or Bridge, or SSC all have various motivations. I think it's a tad disingenuous to question the motives of others without thinking perhaps a bit more about our own personal motives.
With that said, let's dissect Andrew and Pearse's motivations. My guess is that they believe that they know how to operate a youth soccer club better than anyone else in South Carolina -- not just because of CESA but because of their individual success at SGU and GFC. My further guess is that they believe that there are a number of ways to effect change and that SSC must change to be successful. Finally, my last guess is that they believe that the best and fastest way to effect that change involves more than consultancy but includes operational change and branding.
I have worked as a board member and a consultant to quite a few companies and can tell you that being a brilliant (or not so brilliant, in my own personal case) consultant doesn't translate into true strategic and tactical change -- the only thing that translates into that is executive leadership that is willing to introduce change into organizations in which different results are desired. It's my guess that they know this -- but it's just a guess...
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